| Oppo DV-980H Universal DVD player: Audio Performance |
| Written by Chris Groppi |
| Wednesday, 02 January 2008 09:22 |
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Introduction Oppo Digital is a very rare light among the stifling mediocrity found in most low to middle priced digital audio and video electronics. Readers of this website know that we all have a virtually uniform love for their products, and it is for extremely good reason. While most mass-market manufacturers are happy to turn out barely functioning garbage, Oppo products are impeccably engineered and offer performance that thoroughly embarrasses many of their upscale competitors. Specifications
While Oppo's main area of expertise is in digital video electronics, benchmark level performance in DVD deinterlacing and upscaling, sound engineering has lead to remarkably good audio performance and industry leading flexibility. The well-known DV-970HD not only offered excellent video performance, particularly when feeding an outboard scaler, it also garnered several awards from both online and print media for its remarkable performance as a universal audio player. As with all Oppo players, it could play any digital audio disc in existence, from redbook CD to DVD-Audio and SACD, in addition to home made mp3 CDs. For a MSRP well under $200, it was the budget audiophile's choice for a universal disc player. And you got first class video performance for free! I learned an interesting piece of information from Oppo's engineering and management staff at this year's CEDIA, though. The DV-970HD had no special effort paid to its audio performance. Good engineering is never an accident, but the 970HD managed its award winning level of audio performance without any special attention paid to audio side of the box. Features, Construction and Engineering Comments (32)
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Oppo 980H
written by Al Kuenster , January 03, 2008 Sounds like an awesome DVD player for a great price, if I did'nt already have a Elite 79AVI, mabye I'll pick the Oppo up anyway for my bedroom. Thanks for review Chris
980, 981 or Both?
written by David Dukes , January 04, 2008 I'm still holding off on HDTV, so last year when I needed a new DVD player and wanted something "universal" I chose the 970 and am thrilled. I'll be taking the HDTV leap soon (probably a Pioneer Kuro). I'm not going to buy a HD-DVD or Blu Ray player yet, but I was thinking about buying the 981 to get upgrade to the Faroudja DCDi engine. This article makes me wonder. Do I buy both? One for DVD's, One for audio? Any thoughts? Thanks
How do you compare the video perfomance of 980?
written by H. Rana , January 05, 2008 Looks like 980 has great audio. Would it do multichannel SACD with bass management?? Also, Can you say a bit more about its video performance? Thanks!
Ranking
written by No Strings , January 05, 2008 Oppo should reconsider their stance of a universal player, now that the newspapers are reporting Warner's decision to only support BluRay. Could be the final nail in the coffin for HD-DVD; too bad, in my opinion. Secrets needs to add a link to every DVD player review (within the article), which takes the reader directly to the benchmark reviews of all units. I'm all for a player from Oppo with HD capabilities, and am holding off until there is definitely only one choice in the hi-def wars.
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written by JJ , January 05, 2008 The DVD Benchmark is a completely different database module and we have to do some programming to make it work within the main database. It will be operating shortly.
Some responses
written by Chris Groppi , January 06, 2008 I am perfectly happy with the Oppo 980H's video performance with my Westinghouse LVM-37W1 1080p LCD panel, but I am not a videophile to the level some of the other writers are here. I noticed a very small difference in picture not having 1080p. The 980H is not compatible with the DVI input of my display operating at 1080p. I'm sure the DCDi deinterlacing in the 981HD is better, but the audio performance of the 980H is more important to me. I personally don't see the need for both players, but your mileage may vary. I did no objective testing of the 980H, just subjective viewing. You'll have to wait for benchmark results for that... The 980H does offer 6 channel SACD and DVD-Audio output, and does offer relatively simple bass management. The DSD over HDMI feature will allow those with compatible SSPs to get the bass management in their SSP. I'm personally an old fashioned 2 channel audio guy, so I ignored the multichannel audio features of the 980H. As far as Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD vs. universal goes, the Warner Brothers decision came out after this article was written, and well after I talked with Oppo at CEDIA. We'll see if this has an impact on their future plans.
Home theater application quality?
written by me , January 06, 2008 I have one of the original Oppo models and the sound quality pales in comparison to the Toshiba HD-A1. How does the player sound with dvd playback?
HDMI cancels out many of your complaints
written by Oppo Owner , January 07, 2008 It seems you compared everything in analog or 2 channel. Not exactly how the majority of users will implement it.
The inclusion of HDMI inputs on receivers is a relatively new thing.
written by John Johnson - Editor , January 10, 2008 Most people probably do not have receivers with HDMI inputs yet, so for about a year or two, I suspect the majority will still have to use the player with either Toslink output for digital audio where the receiver doecodes it for stereo or 5.1 movies, or stereo RCA for analog audio from CDs.
But What About The 5.1 Analog Inputs?
written by Guy R , January 10, 2008 While the majority of people (like myself) do not have an HDMI compatible receiver, I do use the multichannel analog connectors from the player to the receiver. Most receivers have this capability so I think that this would would be the standard connection for most people using this player. It's using this connection where I find this piece of equipment shining. Stereo is okay but a good multichannel SACD is even better.
Re: Analog 5.1
written by ender21 , January 17, 2008 I agree with Guy R. While Chris Groppi's 2-channel review is great with subjective comparison to his reference source, I thought the idea was to review it's audio capabilities regardless of the reviewer's personal preference for 2-channel. Many who buy this for its DVD-A/SACD abilities (see any random Oppo thread on various popular forums) most likely own at least *one* multi-channel disc in their collection, if not many. I would retitle this otherwise great review "2-Channel Audio Performance" with the hopes that a 5.1 supplement is added later.
Maybe secrets can help
written by Chris Groppi - 2 , February 07, 2008 I don't have a SSP that has 6 channel RCA analog inputs. If I ever get my hands on one, I will add something to this review. The 981's analog output and DAC are identical for all 6 channels. My guess would be that the multichannel sound would be every bit as good as the 2 channel, but as I said, I don't have the tools to test that.
Firmware bug? Hopefully...
written by Rex Smith , February 26, 2008 Oppo DV-980H has a very annoying bug, it can't start audio decoding from the very beginning of an audio track and actually cut off half a note from the beginning of the track. It happens on playback start and when using skip track buttons. This may be more annoying on some CDs which have music from the very beginning of the track, on the ones which have some silence at the beginning of the tracks you may not notice that something is wrong. It is definitely a bug, as the internal decoding and output from analog outs are affected. If OPPO will be able to solve this problem with a new firmware, it will made a very nice sounding player for all available audio formats!
First-track problem needs attention!
written by Larry Roderick , May 11, 2008 I fully agree with Rex Smith, in his February 26 review. I e-mailed Oppo, and got a near-instant response to the effect that they'd been working on the problem for years, but couldn't seem to solve it! Sigh. That's one of only two 980H problems for me. The other is lack of a fully-grounded, three-prong IEC cord. The skimpy one shipped with the unit is, IMHO, lacking. Those two issues aside, my wife and I are finding Great Joy in the 980's audio and video. It simply blows away our other two (much more expensive) units - now being sold. Thanks, Oppo! - but please, ahem, work on that first-track truncation issue, eh?
Benchmark?
written by Breadvan , May 20, 2008 Has any benchmark been done to this great little player?
First track problem
written by Julian , May 28, 2008 I'm thinking of buying one but am concerned about this problem. Does this apply to all audio CD's - i.e. plain old CD's, SACD, DVD audio etc.? or just, say, SACD? Is it just the first track or does it happen when skipping to any track? I assume its okay if you play an album start to finish without skipping tracks?
Player clips start of audio tracks
written by Gary , June 04, 2008 I purchased a DV-980H player, partly because of the great reviews for its audio playback abilities. I wouldn't have done so if I had known about the issue with clipping at the start of audio tracks. This happens at the start of audio discs, and at times throughout a disc when a song starts with a sudden note...very annoying. I downloaded and installed the beta firmware upgrade (DV980-07-0328), hoping it would address the problem, but the bug persists. It's really too bad, because the 980 could have been a great little player.
No video review?
written by Sam , August 18, 2008 Will the site do a benchmark review of the 980H's video performance?
980H Video Performance
written by Susan J , August 19, 2008 No we are not planning on reviewing the video at this point.....waiting on the BluRay product!
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written by me , September 01, 2008 Newest firmware as of July 2008 fixes the clipping at start of first track and in between tracks.
start of track still not right
written by onesandzeros , November 09, 2008 to me, August 31, 2008: I've tried the latest firmware, DV980H-19-0722, as well as a recent beta version whose release notes specifically mention solving the clipping problem. Still missing the first beat of both the first and subsequent tracks on discs like Helmet's Meantime (really exposes the problem). I've read elsewhere that Oppo thought they'd fixed it with that beta firmware, and it did make improvements for some but not all owners. Hopefully they'll get it in an upcoming release. Anyone who's seen performance improvements in PC video cards just by upgrading drivers knows what a signficant difference software can make, hopefully such a difference can be made here, too.
replacing my pioneer universal disc player
written by mike in buffalo , December 27, 2008 im REALLY enchanted by the prospect of this 980h. im one of the fools thats totally devoted do SACD/DVD audio, altho the formats arent going anywhere for pop music it seems. my pioneer now doesnt recognize formats properly half the time or more & its old despite firmware upgrade. my problem is that im not well educated as an audiophile but my ears are too good to listen to junk. so im only half understanding the reviews here sadly. so hopefully you folks can answer a few questions for me? 1) am i likely to be at least as happy with the MULTICHANNEL/SACD/DVD AUDIO sound on the 980H as I was with my Pioneer DV-563A? Heres a link to the unit @ Pioneer.com http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Support/HomeEntertainment/Blu-rayDisc DVD/PioneerDVDPlayers Recorders/ci.DV-563A.Support 2) As the VIDEO upconvert only works over HDMI & I only have one HDMI on my tv, once i get blu ray or similar, can i get the blu-ray or other hi def signal to the TV through any other means besides HDMI without noticable picture loss? 3) Im also a little unclear about what the reported "clipping" actually is and whether its really been addressed. Again, Im only really buying this for sacd/dvd audio as im sure ill get blu ray fairly soon if prices continue to tank. Finally, as regards price for OPPO in general...any clue as to how likely prices are to fall? I scanned the reviews for the top of the line & my sense is that it may be even better for sacd etc. Am I right? God I hope not LOL I cant even THINK of that price point right now Im using a SONY STR-DA 1000ES & mostly Infinity speakers THX!
digital audio output
written by Peter Ter Burg , January 28, 2009 Is the digital raw audio output stream (coaxial or optical)any different from any other dvd-player ? I mean, isn't any DVD-player just passing on the raw audio stream as it is on the CD/DVD ? Can you please explain a little about this subject. thanx
Oppo DV-980H V Sony SCD-XA5400ES
written by Gerald , January 28, 2009 Does the Oppo DV-980H decode DSD straight to analogue via HDMI for multi-channel SACD without internally converting to PCM ? How does it sound compared with the DSD via HDMI of the Sony SCD-XA5400ES, My receiver is the Onkyo 706.
Digital audio output and HDMI
written by CG , January 28, 2009 Peter, With a bitstream output like Dolby digital, the output of the player is basically the same on all of them. These bitstream formats are not susceptible to jitter. For PCM audio data, this is not the case. The timing between samples in the audio data stream is used to directly reconstruct the analog waveform. Any timing errors that cause jitter in the time between samples directly translates to distortion in the analog waveform upon decoding. If the jitter is not random (most isn't) distortion can build up at specific audio frequencies, allowing a seemingly inconsequential amount of timing jitter between samples to degrade the sound quality. This is why the quality of a digital transport matters, at least when the DAC that decodes the incoming signal does not have high quality reclocking capability. Audio over HDMI is either PCM or the raw DSD stream. Analog audio is not passed over HDMI at all, as far as I know. The analog outputs on the 980 do output directly decoded DSD->analog.
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half a notes skip? for cd
written by Gary Then , February 08, 2009 unplug a/c cable from all component(tv,receiver...& oppo)with interconnect(disconnct digital/optical hdmi...etc) with the oppo 980,(Wait for 30 second or more)reconnect all as above,then plug in all component a/c cable to main socket. I solve mine. Hdmi connection is very sensitive hope will help you all.
Oppo 980H V Sony XA5400ES multi-channel SACD via HDMI
written by Gerald , February 18, 2009 Despite some saying all players used as transports sound the same, I find the Sony although costing considerable more for audiophiles sounds much better. On the Oppo bass is not as well controlled as on the Sony and the treble on the Sony is very muxch better. Flutes are reproduced naturally ,they sound shrill on the Oppo. Most importantly females vocals are far more intelligible on the Sony. The Oppo can be fatiguing for long term listening.
Disappointing Audio & Customer Service
written by Ed , March 25, 2009 First off, the video performance is wonderful. However, I already had a great DVD player when I bought this. This unit was purchased strictly for audio purposes based upon its touted audio performance coupled with its ability to play SACD, DVD-A and HDCD formats. When I bought this unit, I was unaware of its design flaw wherein it cuts off the beginning of each audio track. I should say this only occurs when using the HDMI output, not the analog output. But I consider this serious. I further consider it unforgivable that there is NO mention of this flaw on the OPPO site, even in the Support/FAQ area. Why? OPPO touts the audiophile ability of this player's HDMI capability saying this player is "an ideal source device or digital transport for audiophiles." As unimpressed with the fact that there was no mention of this on the OPPO site, I was even less impressed (quite annoyed, in fact) at the response from OPPO. I asked why there was no mention of this. The response was: "Due to digital handshaking and acquisition limitations it is impossible to remove truncation of the first track using HDMI. This is a limitation of the hardware we use in the players." I then let them know this did not answer the question. The next response was even more infuriating: "The website does not have to list all the caveats and limitations...We make no claims that there will be no audio truncation issues with the player." While I certainly appreciated the fast responses, perhaps they'd have been better served by taking a little time to consider their responses. I will say the analog performance is quite good but I bought this with the intention of using the HDMI which I really can't due to this issue. No soup for you--NEXT! It's too bad they don't make an audio-only unit without this problem.
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written by High Fidelity , March 30, 2009 For Audio the Sony SCD-XA5400ES is best especially for SACD surround sound.much better than the Oppo 980H which Kal Rubinson Stereophile says has an etched treble and his has been modified.
comparing audio of 980H with Yamaha S1800
written by Sam , August 07, 2009 Do any of you audiophiles have comments on the comparative audio qualities of the Oppo 980H (now that the track truncation problem seems to have been solved) and the Yamaha S1800? They are priced in the same range right now though the Yamaha used to be priced at $400. I am looking to buy a universal player but am primarily interested in plain CD (not necessarily SACD) playback audio qualities. Thanks in advance.
PCM 2.0
written by Evan Landry , August 14, 2009 Is anyone using this dv980h with a Bose V-class system? According to Oppo's utterly worthless technical support, I have all the settings set correctly. We reseated hdmi cables and so forth, but on every sacd I play, it comes out as pcm 2.0, not 5.1 over hdmi as it was advertised to. I bought this piece of junk because it's supposed to convert 5.1 dsd to 5.1 pcm. It works fine with dvds, 5.1 no prob. Anyone know of any settings that can be adjusted to make this work like it's supposed to? I asked for a supervisor in the tech support department, and the imbecile indicated that he was a supervisor, and kept giving me attitude like he had been through the entire call, and said he has no solution for me. Write comment
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