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Denon AVP-A1HDCI Surround Sound Processor and POA-A1HDCI Power Amplifier
Written by John E. Johnson, Jr.   
Sunday, 26 October 2008 17:00
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Denon AVP-A1HDCI Surround Sound Processor and POA-A1HDCI Power Amplifier
Page 2: AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HDCI Setup
Page 3: The AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HDCI In Use
Page 4: The AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HDCI On the Bench
Page 5: Conclusions About the Denon AVP-A1HDCI and POA-A1HDCI
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Introduction and Design

Denon's A1HDCI is a surround sound processor (SSP) that a lot of people have been waiting for, including me. It turned out to be everything I was anticipating, and more.

The processor has twelve channels for the main zone (there are two additional zones for other rooms). The basic configuration is Front Left, Front Right, Center, Surround A Left, Surround A Right, Surround B Left, Surround B Right (Surround A speakers are direct to the side of the listener, while Surround B speakers are to the side and rear), Surround Back Left, Surround Back Right (Surround Back speakers are placed on the rear wall), Subwoofer 1, Subwoofer 2, and Subwoofer LFE.

Each one of these channels is fully balanced with a 24/192 stereo DAC (one channel of the DAC handles the + portion of the signal, and the other channel handles the - portion).

There are six individual power transformers for maximum noise attenuation and separation of the audio and video circuits. The video circuit will de-interlace and scale all video signals through a Silicon Optix HQV Realta video chipset. Those six transformers, plus an overall massive build quality, result in the A1HDCI weighing almost 60 pounds. That is more than the average receiver with all its power amplifiers.

Built-in 80211b/g network capabilities will let you stream music from your network server or PC, and also your iPod. You can do this wirelessly or with an Ethernet cable.

The A1HDCI handles just about every audio processing algorithm out there. Here is a graphic from the Denon website showing what this processor will do.

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Notice in particular that it has Audyssey processing, which will adjust the loudness and frequency response of each speaker, and adjust the time delay depending on the distance of each speaker from the listening position. This is all done automatically through the use of the included microphone which you place in several (usually six) different positions, and the processor collects data from each position, finally calculating the most appropriate sound overall. Audyssey also includes Dynamic EQ which adjusts the relative volume of the surround channels and the LFE channel at a different rate than the front left, center, and right channels. This is because when we turn down the main volume, the rear channels get so quiet that we lose the sense of a surround space. Audyssey Dynamic EQ takes care of that problem.

Specifications

  • AVP-A1HDCI SSP
  • Design: Digital Surround Sound Processor with Video Processing
  • Channels: 12; RCA and XLR Outputs for All Channels
  • Codecs: All Dolby Digital Codecs including Dolby TrueHD, All DTS Codecs including DTS-HD Master Audio
  • THX Ultra2 Certified
  • THD+N: 0.08%, 0.005% in Direct Mode
  • DACs: Differential (Balanced ) 24/192 on All Channels
  • Three Additional Zones
  • Inputs: Six HDMI (1.3a), Firewire, Coaxial Digital, Stereo Analog Audio Pairs (RCA/XLR for CD Player), Optical, S-Video, Component Video, Composite Video, USB
  • Outputs: RCA and XLR Audio, Two HDMI, Coaxial Digital, Optical, S-Video, Component Video, Composite Video, Trigger (to turn on other equipment)
  • Ethernet Connection for Playing Music from Home Network Server or PC
  • Dimensions: 8.5" H x 171" W x 19.25" D
  • Weight: 59.5 Pounds
  • MSRP: $7,500 USA
  • POA-A1HDCI Power Amplifier
  • Number of Channels: 10
  • Power Output: 150 Watts RMS into 8 Ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz; 300 Watts RMS into 4 Ohms
  • THD+N: 0.05% at 8 Ohms, 0.7% at 4 Ohms
  • MFR: 10 Hz - 100 kHz, Minus 3 dB
  • Configurable for Bi-Amping and Bridging (Two Channels Bridged Output 300 Watts RMS into 8 Ohms)
  • Dimensions: 11.1" H x 17.2" W x 20.7" D
  • Weight: 132 Pounds
  • MSRP: $7,500 USA
  • Denon

The Denon Link is another noteworthy feature. Because of copyright protection issues, it has been difficult to develop a method of sending SACD bitstreams (DSD) from players to processors. Denon simply designed their own connection, called the Denon Link, where DSD signals are encrypted, sent via the link to a Denon processor that has a Denon Link jack (the A1HDCI has it). The DSD signals are unencrypted, decoded, and played through the processor. With HDMI version 1.3a, SACD bitstreams are allowed, but I have found difficulties in getting it to work properly. The Denon Link, on the other hand, worked perfectly when I connected a Denon DVD-2930CI DVD player to the A1HDCI processor. Since that point, I have been catching up on all the multi-channel SACDs that I have accumulated over the years never had the chance to listen to them in full multi-channel DSD bitstream mode (dedicated SACD players are two-channel only, and for other systems, the DSD is converted to PCM before decoding and playing). Using the Denon Link, DSD bitstreams from an SACD remains DSD all the way through the processor until it is finally converted to analog for output to the power amplifier.

In terms of processing, I don't think Denon left anything out. It handles every codec out there, and has multiple post-processing features such as Timbre Matching (matches the sound of the rear surrounds to the front speakers which are usually bigger speakers), Advanced Speaker Array (coordinates the sound between the side and rear speakers), and Boundary Gain Compensation (adjusts the bass depending on how far out from the wall the speakers are located). It also has the standard requisite features such as Cinema EQ (reduces the harshness that movie soundtracks tend to have because they are designed to be played in commercial theaters where the speakers are, by comparison, much farther away from the listener), Dynamic Compression (makes the soft sounds louder and the loud sounds softer), Panorama, and Lip Sync (an HDMI version 1.3a feature). Dialog Normalization (Dial Norm) is automatic, and occasionally one sees a message about it displayed on the front panel, telling you that it is functioning to keep various programs at the same listening level). Denon's Advanced AL 24 Processing upsamples all the audio to 24 bit. There are also numerous THX modes.

Although the standard Dolby Digital and DTS codecs that we have been using with SD DVDs are all there, it is really the inclusion of Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio that distinguish the processor from many others that don't have these codecs yet.

 


Setup

One of the first things you should do is run the Audyssey Setup which is accessed from the front flip down panel (shown below). Over on the very far right hand side you can see a jack for the "Setup Mic". There is a small microphone that is included with the SSP and you simply plug it into that jack. The Audyssey setup menu will come on the display and step you through the process (Speaker Detection, Measurement, Calculation, Check, Store). If one of your speakers is connected in reverse phase, you will see an error message about that speaker. You have to reconnect the speaker in correct phase and run the start the setup over again. The setup is repeated for six different microphone locations (places where you and your family are likely to be seated), and then Audyssey calculates the best fit EQ that takes into account the six different seating positions. The data are stored, and when you use the SSP, an Audyssey indicator will be illuminated on the front panel readout. It is not lit (not active) when you are using "Direct" modes, such as CD Direct, which I used for the bench tests. You can turn Audyssey off anytime you wish, and this is fun to do so you can hear the difference that it makes (big difference).

The flip down panel also has buttons for various modes, setup options (manual speaker and EQ setup), and for turning on the other four zones. Other than the flip down panel controls, the only other controls are the input selector on the left, and the volume control on the right. Volume is read out from -80 dB to +18 dB. I generally found a volume setting of -20 to -15 dB to give me all the volume I needed.

The rear panel of the A1HDCI is inputs and outputs from one edge of the chassis to the other (see photo below, click on the small photos to see a full size version).

There are 12 output channels, available as XLR or RCA (shown in red, below). I used the XLR outputs exclusively because my reference amplifier (Classé CA-5200) has XLR inputs, and so does the Denon POA-A1HDCI amplifier that is designed to be paired with the Denon SSP. The 12 outputs are Front Left, Center, Front Right, Surround A Left, Surround A Right, Surround B Left, Surround B Right, Surround Back Left, Surround Back Right, Subwoofer 1, Subwoofer 2, Subwoofer 3. The Surround A and B are if you want to have two sets of side surround channels, such as in a very large home theater room. The three subwoofers can be configured for left, right, and LFE. You can reconfigure any of the outputs to be any of the other outputs (if you want to duplicate an output channel).

The A1HDCI is organized around six input sets (marked on the photo below). It is assumed your sources are digital, perhaps even all HDMI output, and the A1HDCI is principally a digital audio processor.

So, looking at the photo, you can see the HDMI inputs highlighted in red. They are DVD, HDP, TV/CBL (this was changed to SAT in the final release version), SAT (changed to VCR in final release version), DVR-1, and DVR-2 (you can change the names to anything you prefer). To the right of these inputs, highlighted in green, are the HDMI output jacks for connection to a projector and TV monitor. Below the HDMI inputs are coaxial and optical digital inputs associated with the HDMI inputs of the same name. You can connect sources to any or all of the inputs, and when you select one particular input from the front panel, there is an option to use any one of the sources you have connected to the HDMI, or coaxial, or optical jack associated with that input. In other words, you can have a lot of sources sharing each of the six main input sets. Each HDMI input will have either a coaxial digital or optical digital input associated with it, but not both.

In the middle and down at the bottom are the analog input sets assocated with each input. They include component video, S-Video, composite video, and stereo analog audio.

For CD, you can use either a set of fully balanced XLR inputs or the usual RCA inputs. You select whether you want XLR or RCA from the on-screen menu setup options.

Denon has a proprietary connection called Denon Link. It is present on the A1HDCI, as shown below. If you have a Denon player with a Denon Link output, you can play SACDs and send native DSD bitstreams to the processor for decoding. The DSD remains in that form all the way from the disc to the processor decoding circuits , instead of being converted to PCM like many other players and processors do.

The A1HDCI has four zones. Zone 1 is the principal one with the 12 output channels. Zone 2 (marked in red) has component video, S-Video, composite video, stereo coaxial analog, and Toslink optical outputs. Zone 3 (marked in green) has composite video and stereo coaxial analog outputs. Zone 4 just has Toslink optical output for audio. So, basically, you could have audio/video in three zones and audio in a fourth zone, all playing at the same time in different rooms of your home.

For my setup, I connected a Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu-ray player to the DVD input, a Denon DVD-2930CI DVD player with Denon Link to the HDP input, a DirecTV satellite box to the SAT input, a Toshiba HD-A1 HD DVD player to the VCR input, and my media server to the DVR-1 input. All of these are HDMI connections. My media server has a DVI output, which I connected to the DVR-1 HDMI input with an adaptor cable for the video, and a Toslink optical cable to the DVR-1 optical input jack just underneath the DVR-1 HDMI jack. When I selected that input, the SSP recognized that video was coming in via HDMI and audio via Toslink. This is one of the things that most impressed me about the SSP. The thing just worked, without any hassles trying to decipher input configurations. The photo below shows the media server connections.

I also have an old JVC VCR that I use to play some instructional video tapes. I connected this to the DVR-2 jacks, but used the composite video and analog audio jacks instead of the HDMI jack. This is shown in the photo below.

So, all my sources are digital, connected via HDMI (and Denon Link), except for the JVC VCR which is analog.

I decided not to change the names of the inputs as displayed on the front panel (because they would then not match the names of the jacks on the rear panel), but simply taped a printout of the connections to the top of my equipment rack which lists each input and what is connected to it.

I used the SSP for several months with a Classé CDP-502 five-channel power amplifier and a two-channel amp for the sides, but recently got the Denon POA-AH1DCI ten-channel power amplifier and connected that to the SSP. Here is a photo of the rear panel. (Click on the photo to see a large version.)

The amplifier is modular, with all ten channels arranged with their inputs and outputs across the rear panel. At the top of each module are RCA and XLR input jacks, and at the bottom of the modules, you have to use a slider switch to select which type of input you want to use. The Denon SSP has XLR outputs, so I used the XLR inputs on the amplifier (Nordost cables). Also at the bottom you can see switches to select whether the amplifier module operates individually or bridged with the adjacent module. If you select bridge or bi-amp, the input to the right module of the pair serves as input to two modules. For bi-amp, you connect the outputs of one module to the tweeter and the other module to the woofer (don't forget to remove any speaker jumpers that connect the tweeter and woofer on the back of the speaker). For bridging, you use the + speaker terminal from each module to connect to the speaker binding posts. The front of the amplifier has three meters that you can set to read the output of any of the channels. They read in dB, -60 to +6, with 0 dB being full output.

You can see two control links at the bottom of the panel, and there is a cable supplied that lets you connect the SSP to the amplifier so that the SSP will turn on the amplifier when you power on the SSP.

So, you may wonder why there are ten amplifier modules. Here is how it works. If you have a 5.1 system, you bridge each pair, giving you five bridged amplifier channels, 300 watts into 8 ohms each. If you have a 7.1 system, you bridge three pairs to drive the front left, center, and front right, and there are four single module amplifiers left to power the side left, side right, rear left, and rear right. If you have a 9.1 system, you bridge one pair for the center channel (that is where most of the movie sound track energy goes), leaving eight individual amplifier modules for the rest of the system (front left, front right, side A left, side A right, side B left, side B right, rear left, and rear right. So, basically, you are not going to waste any amplifier channel with the POA-A1HDCI. It has the most flexibility of any power amplifier I have ever tested.

There are two remote controls. One has setup features on it, and the other one, which is somewhat smaller, has the day-to-day user features on it. The larger remote is backlit.

The volume control for all channels is available on the smaller remote by pressing the "Enter" button. All channels can be scrolled through and adjusted up or down. I consider this very important because I like to change the center or rear channel volume from time to time depending on the music or movie. Or as another example, if I move one chair over to the side, I need to readjust the front left/right channel relative volume. Such ease of individual channel volume control has been missing from remotes for a long, long time.


In Use

I had several Denon players on hand which I used for the review, including the DVD-2500BTCI Blu-ray player that we recently reviewed, and a DVD-2930CI which is an SD DVD player with a Denon Link connection to feed the SSP SACD DSD bitstreams. Speakers were Paradigm Reference, Final Sound ESLs, and four Velodyne 18" subwoofers. Cables were Nordost. When I ran the Audyssey setup, I recorded the final settings so that I could experiment with manual changes to the speakers (loudness, crossover, etc.) and be able to go back and put in the original settings.

Below is a sample of the music and movies I enjoyed with the Denon system. I configured the amplifier as 7.1, and the SSP delivered audio to the seven channels, plus three discrete subwoofers (for the total of all ten channels on the SSP). I had four Velodyne 18" subwoofers for this purpose (two of them were connected to the LFE output, and the other two served as left and right subwoofer channels). I listened almost exclusively to SACDs and watched Blu-ray movies as they came in for review. They had either Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, or 48 kHz PCM soundtracks. Note that standard CDs can be played through the HDMI connection along with SACDs and movies. So, you don't really need analog cables at all with HDMI sources. In fact, that is the whole idea. Go Digital!

I must say that I have never had so much enjoyment from a surround sound system. Although I listened to my SACDs mostly in the Direct mode, I did occasionally change over to a mode where Audyssey EQ was in the path. Perhaps a little bit of accuracy was sacrificed by going through the additional processing, but the improvement in overall natural tonality was worth it. At the end, I was playing SACDs with Audyssey. It is addicting.

Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio movie soundtracks are a big, big jump from "old fashioned" DD 5.1. There is an obvious fidelity improvement that can be heard even in human voices, and the surround channels sound much more detailed.

Overall, the sound was very clear, detailed, without midrange mushiness (congestion) or other noticeable distortion, and I never had to turn the volume up anywhere close to 0 dB. With two-channel music, played in stereo (rather than processed with DTS Neo:6 for example), the sound stage was distinct, with instruments clearly placed. With multi-channel music, the discussion of sound stage becomes more difficult because there are so many speakers, but, it always sounded glorious, especially with SACD.

Denon AVP-A1HDCI SSP and POA-A1HDCI Amplifier Music and Movies

I connected the SSP to the Internet using a CAT-6 cable rather than using the wireless capability. When I tried the wireless setup, I was shown a list of six local networks, as SSID-1, SSID-2, etc. Normally, on a computer, the network names are displayed, such as SMITH-OFFICE, so you can easily determine which one is yours. On the SSP, the network names are not displayed, so you have to guess which one might be yours. If you have a large WEP password, such as I do, it takes a long time to scroll through all the capital letters, lower case letters, and numbers, one at a time to input the complete password. So, it was the hard wire network connection for me, and as soon as I plugged in the CAT-6 cable, the SSP made the proper connections and I was on line. I listened to some Internet Radio stations, but the sound is pretty awful because of the compression. One station from overseas, after playing some music that was barely listenable, said they were broadcasting at 36 kbps. No wonder it was terrible.

The AVP-A1HDCI also has the capability of using a Rhapsody account (you have to sign up and pay a fee) for quality on-line music. The network connection will allow you to connect to music files on one of your computers in the network, or a dedicated media server. The problem with media servers right now is that they don't let you store Blu-ray movies or high resolution audio. When that happens, I will use my media server through the Denon SSP. You can of course, just listen to FM/AM broadcasts through the tuner.

I did not use any of the extra zones that the AVP-A1HDCI has to offer because I have full audio setups in several other rooms.

There is an optional iPod dock that can be purchased to connect your iPod to the SSP, and the SSP will show the iPod contents which can be operated with the SSP remote control.

The AVP-A1HDCI has a video processor, offering basic features such as contrast, brightness, chroma level, hue, and sharpness. You can also scale incoming video to a preferred output resolution. In the SSP manual it is stated that THX recommends leaving the scaling option turned off. In my own case, if I use a video processor at all, it is an external one.

 


 

On the Bench

First, the SSP. Except where specified, I used the CD input, configured for XLR (balanced analog audio). I set the input as CD Direct, which bypasses all signal processing attributes including Audyssey Room EQ. Analog input signals were supplied by our Audio Precision SYS-2722 analyzer.

At 1 kHz and 2 volts output, THD+N was a very low 0.19%.

For comparison, I used a Philips SACD test disc, played from a Denon 2930CI DVD player with Denon Link, so that the signal was sent to the processor as a DSD bitstream, and processed as DSD all the way through, not converted to PCM at some point. For this, I used a different input on the SSP and set it to DSD Direct. Here is a 1 kHz sine wave from the SACD test disc, recorded at 0 dB. It produced an output of 2.67 volts with THD+N at 0.034%. However, notice the noise differences. With the SACD connection, the 60 Hz and its harmonics are not present. In other words, no hum that so often gets into systems with various components connected together.

Back to analog with the CD input again, here is a 10 kHz sine wave at 2 volts output. THD+N was 0.02%.

Our IMD test, using 60 Hz and 2 kHz, 2 volts output, resulted in 0.021% IMD. Notice the AC noise at 120 Hz and above.

Now, compare the graph above with an IMD test taken from the SACD test disc. It uses 60 Hz and 7 kHz because that is an SMPTE standard. I use 2 kHz instead of 7 kHz because I can see the side peaks next to the fundamental more easily. Again, the SACD signal was passed to the SSP via the Denon Link as a pure DSD digital signal. The IMD graph above was through the CD input as an analog signal, CD Direct, no extra signal processing. See how the AC harmonics are not there in the SACD test signal. IMD is slightly less as well, although by a negligible amount.

THD+N vs. Frequency indicated a constant amount of distortion through the audible band, which is good. This means a neutral sound.

THD+N vs. Output shows that somewhere close to 3 volts RMS is the maximum output. An average listening power output with reasonable volume would be about 500 mV on any one channel of the SSP, and a typical power amplifier has an input sensitivity of about 1.5 volts to drive it to full output.

I measured the frequency response with the CD input configured as CD Stereo. This let me turn Audyssey processing on or off (not available when the input is set to CD Direct). It is flat to 20 kHz at 1 volt but the high frequencies begin rolling off above 7 kHz at 2 volts output. I suspect this was deliberate to protect speakers and your ears if you tend to crank things up too much in action movies. The blue graph line shows the response with Audyssey processing turned on. I had run the Audyssey setup with 5.1 speakers being electrostatic, and the resulting graph shows the EQ that has been applied (this is the left front channel). You can see where it rolls off in the bass to crossover to the subwoofer. Audyssey uses filters rather than EQ bands, and their website states that hundreds of points in the spectrum are measured and corrected. The resulting response is a result of the speaker's natural frequency response and also changes induced by the room. I have to say that I love the changes that Audyssey made. It all sounded so much more natural. This is really a terrific feature.

Now to the power amplifier.

At 1 kHz and 20 volts output into 8 ohms, THD+N was 0.005%.

And at 4 ohms, it was 0.01%.

IMD, with 60 Hz and 2 kHz sine wave inputs, 20 volts output into 8 ohms, was 0.006%.

At 4 ohms, IMD rose to 0.011%. With IMD measurements, the calculations are based on the peaks 250 Hz on either side of the fundamental (2 kHz). However, there are other areas that have obvious IMD peaks (4 kHz, 6 kHz, 8 kHz, etc.) This is why it is important to show graphs rather than simply report the IMD number.

For THD+N vs. Frequency, shown below at 20 volts output into either 8 or 4 ohms, the distortion rises above 300 Hz. This will make for a forward sounding midrange and treble.

THD+N vs. Power output indicate that the POA-A1HDCI outputs 175 watts RMS (one channel) before going into a sharp rise to clip (1% THD+N) at 215 watts, while at 4 ohms, it outputs 230 watts RMS before the sharp rise to clipping at 320 watts. Each amplifier module has its own power supply capacitors, so I just measured the output with one channel being driven.

 


 

Conclusions

The Denon AVP-A1HDCI SSP and POA-A1HDCI power amplifier represent the next level in surround sound flexibility. The SSP will decode anything, including SACD and the new high def movie soundtracks. It sets up easily, in spite of a very complex, powerful set of menu options, and with its on-line firmware update capability, will refuse to be out of date with improvements and other features that emerge. It is designed specifically as a digital processor. If you are still using the two-channel analog outputs on your CD player, you might consider some other processor, but for those of you with a rack full of HDMI sources, this setup will give you great satisfaction.

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Comments (18)add comment
Processor
written by jim , October 27, 2008

Being that this unit is so expensive and some of that has to do with the processor it uses don't you think it would be important to touch on it. I mean not knowing if it properly scales, deinterlaces and such is kinda impt. There are plenty or processors out there that are far less that produce prob the same level of sound but maybe the processor the denon has makes it worth the price, but without talking of it doesn't make sense.

Not trying to sound like an a*&, but your reviews are usually great to go by. Just thought this one was kinda one sided re: audio vs video. . .





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written by JEJ , October 28, 2008

I just used the video as a pass-through configuration on the Denon SSP. The projector scaled everything to 720p and the flat panel TV scaled it to 1080p. 480i programs on satellite TV look terrible regardless of the scaling, and I have never seen SD DVD's 480i look much different whether it is scaled to 1080p or just left alone, except for reducing the visibility of the scan lines. To me, HD is so much a part of everyday TV watching, that 480i material is like trying to do something with an old 78 RPM record. Secondly, neither of my displays allows the video to pass through without processing, so the image is a result of whatever processing the SSP does, plus its own processing. Not to mention any processing in the player. What is really needed for testing an outboard processor or processor in a receiver is an analytical instrument that outputs HDMI test signals which would go to the DUT (Device Under Test), and the output from the DUT goes back to the analytical instrument. Audio Precision has just announced an HDMI test instrument, but it's not within our budget.


Excellent review on the audio side of things
written by Martin , October 29, 2008

Also glad to see someone focusing on SACD when doing a review of a product in this price range.

I had actually come to terms with the A1HDCI not being able to decode the format, since it curiously does not list it as part of the supported codecs, nor includes the logo on its front panel. (A rather strange omission if you ask me.)



Did he listen to it?
written by Bob , October 30, 2008

Lots of good detail about features and measurements, but not enough comments and examples about the sound quality. Did he listen to the thing?


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written by JEJ , October 30, 2008

My remarks about the sound are at the top of page 3. If you are looking for the type of comment that says, 'On this recording, 1 minute 42 seconds into track 4, the clarinets had more air and substance', that is not my style. I see those kinds of review statements with some other authors, but it is not the way I write. However, I did go back and add a few more specific comments about the sound stage. I hope that helps. The problem is that, for multi-channel sound, it becomes more difficult to make subjective appraisals because there are so many speakers playing at the same time. When you have two speakers, they are usually identical speakers and always represent a straight line that connects them. With surround sound, the center channel speaker may have a different driver configuration and is horizontal. The surround speakers can be any of several different designs, such as direct radiating, dipole, or bipole, and can be located at various lateral positions with respect to the listener. So, sound stage observations about surround sound equipment are not nearly so likely to be repeatable in another person's listening room. I do admit that I tend to be succinct to say the least, but that is just my style of writing.


2 Channel Analog
written by Tasso , October 31, 2008

Many people are buying the AVP-A1HD as a single solution for both AV and 2 channel HiFi applications. Denon literature indicate that its CD analog inputs will transmit analog signals entirely in the analog domain.(multichannel analog signals are converted to digital)

This would of course be of enormous benefit if connecting a high end CD/SACD player.

Can you confirm that this is in fact the case?



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written by JEJ , October 31, 2008

The analog CD inputs are handled entirely in the analog domain if you press the Pure Direct button.

Here is an answer direct from Denon:

When inputting an analog signal, and in Stereo, Direct or Pure Direct Mode, all DSP processing is bypassed. However in Stereo mode we tap the analog signal to send to the DSP for subwoofer output if selected – the analog signal gets an analog high-pass filter at 80Hz. In Direct mode, same thing happens for the sub, but no high-pass analog filter is engaged. In Pure Direct, the DSP and Video sections are turned off completely.

We also have the ability to change the speaker configuration for Stereo/Direct listening in the Audio Setup section of the GUI. You will see a ‘2ch Direct/Stereo’ section where you can use the Global settings or change them to your preferences whenever you select Stereo or Direct. Tone Controls are always available unless you select Bypass.



Audessey
written by jzh10 , November 02, 2008

Your review was very clear that you preferred the Audessey processing for both audio and video. Audessey is taking what their engineers know about how we listen and compensating for your environment to try and result in an adjusted mix that sounds the best to us. To me, a logical corollary to this is that if different processors have the same Audessey system, the final mix from all the different units should sound very similar, since Audessey is adjusting them to match what they feel is the best mix.
In the end, does this reduce the audible differences between different brands of processors (or complete receivers)? Audessey is dramatically adjusting the "natural" sound that is different for different manufacturers. I'm not saying this as a criticism of Audessey, but instead that as the Audessey or similar systems become more powerful, there may be less of a reason to purchase the top end processors since their sound won't be unique anymore!
If you prefer not to use Audessey, then ignore this argument. And if the best processors have other features that you can only find there, then, again, ignore this argument. But for most people I think this is valid.
As an aside, wouldn't it also be helpful if you could store the Audessey settings in processor memory, so that you could experiment away and then restore back the original settings?
And you sure seem to keep alot of Denon around the house...



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written by JEJ , November 03, 2008

Audyssey only processes the audio, not the video. I do like it very much, but there needs to be some memory banks to store several Audyssey measurement sets, so you could activate one for each of several different listening positions. Secondly, it is not clear when the subwoofer crossover is active and when it is not. You can go in and change it, but there should be an indication on the front panel that the subwoofer crossover is active so that low frequencies go to the sub, or that it is disables, so that all frequencies, including the low frequencies, are going to the main speakers. For example, even in Direct mode, the subwoofer crossover is active unless you go into the menu and turn it off.

As to your question about Audyssey making all processors sound the same, even though the Audyssey circuit may be the same in each processor, the processor circuits are not the same. Some processors have higher distortion than others, and Audyssey does not EQ the distortion peaks.



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written by JEJ , November 03, 2008

Regarding using the AVP-A1HDCI as a high end two-channel preamplifier for use with analog CD player outputs, I experimented with this, and found that I really enjoyed having some DPL-IIx processing for two-channel CDs. I played Miles Davis Kind of Blue, letting the AVP-A1HDCI do the bitstream decoding, and then using DPL-IIx. It put Davis' trumpet in the center, alto sax on the left, and drums on the right. It did not have the visceral feeling that I get when I play the LP version in our other lab, but it was still a very appealing way to hear that old two-channel recording. The DACs in the AVP-A1HDCI are top notch, so don't discount sending the signal via HDMI or coax/optical, and lettting the processor decode it for you.


Multichannel SACD
written by Gregor Samsa , November 08, 2008

"dedicated SACD players are two-channel only"

I am having trouble understanding what you mean by this. There are many SACD players that are multichannel, including the Denon that you used in the review. An interesting comparison would have been to evaluate the analog output of this unit vs sending it through the Denon Link.

Also, if you're using WEP, prepare to be hacked. Even WPA is getting shaky these days.



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written by JEJ , November 09, 2008

I used a Denon DVD-2930CI DVD player that will also output multi-channel SACD bitstreams through its Denon Link. It is not a dedicated SACD player, meaning that it is not specifically designed as an SACD player. When you look at players that are advertised specifically as SACD players, they are usually two-channel only. There are two advantages of using the single Denon Link cable to send SACD to the processor. One is that it eliminates the need for six cables. Secondly, the DACs in the Denon AVP-A1HDCI SSP are far superior to the DACs in that $899 DVD player.


AMP?
written by William Mackey , November 11, 2008

Great review, just wondering if you have used avp-a1 with another amp ie classe or mcintosh? I was thinking of getting the avp-a1 but don't know which amp or amps i should get? Amps have to be one of the hardest decisions when putting together a nice system? what would your opinion be regarding similar priced amps in this catagory, ie anthem, classe or the denon poa? Thanks, Bill


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written by JEJ , November 11, 2008

I bought the AVP-A1HDCI SSP and now use it with a Classe CA-5200 power amplifier instead of the Denon POA-A1HDCI power amplifier that was reviewed with the SSP. Anthem power amplifiers are also excellent. This is one processor that deserves top notch power to go with it.


Not a SACD player?
written by Gregor Samsa , November 24, 2008

The Denon 2930CI is most certainly a SACD player, and a most versatile one. It will play 2 channel analog from SACDs. As you point out, it will stream DSD to any component with Denon Link. Most to the point for my argument, it will decode DSD and send it over multi-channel analog to any pre or AVR with multi-channel analog inputs. This has been the case for every SACD player that Denon has made. I know, I have 2 of them. The fact that they also decode other formats, doesn't mean it's not a SACD player. The most limited of such players also play Redbook. Denon is not the only manufacturer that makes players with this capability. The best digital I ever heard was a Meitner SACD sending analog to Halcro amplification which had no digital input. You are correct about the advantages of Denon Link, but I'm afraid your review will give people the mistaken idea that you need something like Denon Link to get multi-channel SACD. The format is in enough trouble without this.


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written by JEJ , November 24, 2008

I did not say the 2930CI was not an SACD player. I said it is not a dedicated SACD player, meaning that SACD is not its primary function.


Denon POA-A1HDCI
written by MTL , December 07, 2008

Did you recognize a significant gain in performance when using the Classe CA-5200 over the A1HDCI?


Denon POA-A1HDCI
written by M , October 20, 2009

I'm planning on purchasing the Denon stack and wanted to know if anyone else is having problems with Volume scaling issue (Audyssey and other processes can limit max volume).

Additional information concerning issue:

Volume Scaling Issue

Upon getting my AVP-A1HDCI fully calibrated, I was prepared to start doing some listening tests. I started out with a few CD’s engaged in PLIIx Music Mode. The system sounded great as I kept pumping up the volume and was a bit perplexed that I quickly hit max volume and it wasn’t all that loud. There I was with a $14k separates rig from Denon which was barely sustaining 85dB SPL levels in my theater room. What gives, I asked myself? I soon realized that once I engaged Audyssey, it severely limited the max volume level in the AVP-A1HDCI. Upon further investigation, I discovered it was a combination of Audyssey + 7.1 post processing surround Mode (ie. PLIIx Music Mode, DTS, Neo, etc) that was leading to this problem. Combine this deficiency when listening to a low compression source with an inherently low signal level, and you’ve got a receipt for severe volume limiting. I ran into this scenario quite often when using my Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD player to playback discs recorded in Dolby TrueHD and even after I boosted the input level by +10dB and turned Audyssey off, I still found myself wanting to turn the volume higher than it would let me.

What appeared to be happening is an issue with the overall gain structure and the demands from multiple processes placed on the volume IC’s utilized in this product. The list of processes that require headroom is quite long which include THX, Subwoofer gain compensation (up to +8 dB), channel trims (up to +12 dB), downmixing (up to +11 dB of headroom in the worst case), Tone control, MultEQ (up to 9 dB), and others. So, in a worst case scenario (e.g. if you are in downmixing mode and the trim on your sub is near the max, or perhaps tone control is on) you will not be able to reach master volume indication above 0 dB. Denon is NOT alone here. Other manufacturers are facing this issue but they are a bit more clever hiding it. For example, I’ve come to find out that the latest generation of Onkyo receivers have a similar issue, but the volume indicator will always allow the user to reach max volume despite it won’t continue to get any louder beyond a certain point.

An industry insider has indicated to me that a new technology is enabling Volume IC chips with higher headroom and they will start to become available next year. Unfortunately this does no good for consumers facing this problem now with the current generation of products, but I do have some suggestions to help minimize the impact.

* Scale down your channel trims – if you have your sub boosted to +3dB, scale it back to 0dB while also scaling back all other channels by 3dB
* If the sub levels were boosted in the processor during setup, adjust them down to 0dB or lower and proportionally increase their respective levels via your subwoofer(s) master volume control
* Increase source level per input as needed
* If using the POA-A1HDCI, bridge the front channels if you’re got two channels to spare. This will increase your output level by +6dB
* Don’t use tone controls or downmix options

source-level.jpgBy trimming down two of my subwoofers from +2.5dB and +1.5dB respectively, I got back 2.5db of gain on my master volume but I also had to turn down the channel trims on all other channels the same so it was essentially a net wash. However, I did play with input source level adjustments and was able to set the source to +7dB without causing the max master volume limit to decrease. Thus I got back a some of the headroom with this trick and I suggest you experiment with it should you run into a similar issue when engaging Audyssey room correction in a post processing mode such as PLIIx Music/Cinema.

Hopefully the forthcoming EQ editing feature for Audyssey will allow the user to limit the boost (especially on the surround channels) to minimize headroom loss and ensure you can never reach the limit of the volume control in any listening situation.

Until this issue can be resolved, I have no choice but to lower the performance rating of this processor to a 4.5 / 5 though this product revealed benchmark performance in every test I threw at it in the lab. I also feel it important to note that according to my contacts at Denon, I am the only user currently reporting this as an issue despite the hundreds of consumers currently enjoying this product.




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