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Denon AVR-2309CI 7.1 A/V Receiver
Written by Gabriel Lowe   
Wednesday, 03 December 2008 17:00
Article Index
Denon AVR-2309CI 7.1 A/V Receiver
Page 2: Design, Setup, and Calibration of the Denon AVR-2309CI Receiver&heading=Page 1: Introduction to the Denon AVR-2309CI Receiver
Page 3: Denon AVR-2309CI Receiver Surround Sound Options
Page 4: AVR-2309CI Remote Controls
Page 5: Audio Performance of the Denon AVR-2309CI Receiver
Page 6: Video Capabilities and Performance of the Denon AVR-2309CI Receiver
Page 7: Other Features
Page 8: The AVR-2309CI Receiver On the Bench
Page 9: Conclusions about the Denon AVR-2309CI Receiver
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Introduction

The Denon AVR-2309CI is the entry level product in Denon’s Custom Integration line, which includes receivers specifically designed with custom installers in mind. It offers extras like an RS-232C port for integration with automation and advanced control systems such as Crestron, and a 12 volt trigger to automate things such as a front projection screen lowering when the system is powered on. The 2309CI comes in at $849, and for the price, offers a nice array of features, performance and power for the price.

Specifications

  • Design: 7.1 A/V Receiver
  • Codecs: All Dolby and DTS surround codecs, including Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio
  • Power: 100 Watts RMS x 7 into 8 Ohms
  • THD+N: 0.08%
  • Audyssey MultEQ Processing and Calibration
  • Inputs: 4 HDMI, 3 component, 4 S-Video, 4 Composite Video, 7.1 Multi-channel Analog Inputs, 2 Coaxial Digital, 2 Optical Digital
  • Outputs: Monitor for All Input Types, Pre-out for Subwoofer Only
  • Dimensions: 6.7" H x 17.1" W x 14.9" D
  • Weight: 27.1 Pounds
  • MSRP: $849 US
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Design, Setup and Calibration

Unpacking the receiver, I found it to be of solid build quality, as all Denons are; not too heavy nor too light, checking in at just over 27 pounds. I seated it in my rack, and connected everything up. The AVR-2309CI has 4 HDMI input ports, which allowed me to connect my satellite receiver, my PS3, my HD-DVD player (maybe I should start referring to it as my DVD player that happens to play HD-DVDs?), and my Xbox 360.

Unlike the AVR-689 I reviewed previously for this publication, this model does indeed accept audio via HDMI, so no further optical or coaxial digital cables were required. The speaker terminals run centered along the bottom of the back panel. Rounding out my connections were my Apple Airport Express, which plugged into my CD input, a Nintendo Wii, which plugged into one of the three component video inputs, and my newest addition, the SlingCatcher, which also used a set of component inputs.

Next, I powered on the receiver and began assigning and naming my source inputs. The AVR-2309CI employs an on-screen display, but unfortunately it is of the old Denon variety – no colors or fancy graphics here! For each source, I assigned the appropriate HDMI or component video input. I found that it was even possible to use both HDMI and component for a single source so that if you were to have more components than available source selections, you could “double-up” a given source. Here’s my real-world use for this capability.

The AVR-2309CI has 5 source selections that can be assigned video inputs: HDP, Video Aux, TV/Cable, VCR, and DVD. As I mentioned above, I have six total sources that play video. So what am I to do? Simply not use one of those sources? The AVR-2309CI, while limited in sources, can still allow me to utilize all six devices. For the HDP input, I assigned HDMI3, Coaxial 1 (digital audio), and component video input 2. Physically, I had my PS3 connected to HDMI3 and my SlingCatcher connected to component video 2 and coax audio 1. Using the HDP input I now had access to both devices, depending upon which one was powered on.

The HDMI input always takes precedence however, so if both source components are on at the same time, the PS3 would be the source I would see and hear. This turned out to be a surprisingly useful and appreciated feature. When coupled with the use of my Logitech Harmony 880 remote control, I could use either device very simply with the press of a button.

Next, I renamed all of my sources to more closely match what I actually had plugged into them. I have always liked the ability to custom label my inputs, however, I have never enjoyed the actual task of “typing” the labels in. As is the case in nearly every receiver I have tested, I had to patiently scroll through the alphanumeric characters (both upper and lower case) to spell out the label. The obvious benefit, however, is that after the tedium is done, you have a custom touch that really adds to the personalization of your system. It may not be much, but darn it, I like seeing Xbox 360 on the front panel instead of V. AUX!

With all inputs configured and verified to be working properly, I moved on to calibration using the Audyssey MultEQ setup wizard. I placed the calibration microphone in my three main listening positions and ran the test tones. Calibration proceeded very much as it did with the AVR-689. It got just about everything correct, save for the front channels (it picked large), and the crossover settings of the surrounds (it set them at 90Hz), and fronts (it set them at 60Hz).

The 2309CI can increment speaker distances down to the tenth of the foot, and except for the subwoofer distance, which I did have to adjust, the other speaker distances were quite accurate.

Once the auto-calibration has been completed, you have the option of using one of the MultEQ room equalization settings, which are bypass L/R, Audyssey, and flat. The bypass L/R (or what often is referred to as the front curve) optimizes the room correction for all speakers except the front left and right. The Audyssey selection uses the data from the auto-calibration to generate equalization to optimize the sound for the room itself. The flat setting tries to create a totally flat response based on the same data.

I tested several of my favorite movie passages, such as the lobby scene from The Matrix, the opera scene from The Fifth Element, and the first Reaver scene from Serenity, and as has been the case in the past, I preferred the Audyssey setting. My main listening room in my current home is not an ideal theater space, so this feature is highly useful.


Surround Sound Options

The Denon AVR-2309CI is at the forefront of current AVR technology. It includes decoders for just about every major surround codec available. If you have the good fortune of owning one of the latest Blu-Ray players that can output DTS-HD Master Audio or Dolby TrueHD in their bitstream format over HDMI, then you will see said codec indicators light up on the front panel when using them. There has been considerable debate among home theater enthusiasts as to whether this is even necessary to have in an A/V receiver.

Decoding can be (and is mostly still) done in the player and each channel output as uncompressed PCM, which, when transported via HDMI to a capable receiver, should theoretically be sonically identical to the method mentioned above. Since these codecs are really nothing more than lossless compression techniques (think of the .zip format in the PC world), the “decoders” are really just decompressing the signal. This should mitigate any potential differences in the quality of the decoders, which also supports the argument that it shouldn’t matter where the decompression is done (receiver or player). Still, for traditionalists who cling to the idea that the receiver should handle this responsibility, the 2309CI fits the bill.

Of course, along with the lossless codecs, this receiver can handle all of the other Dolby and DTS lossy surround formats, including the newest such as Dolby Digital Plus and DTS-HD. The surround mode you choose is persistent for each source, which is quite useful if you prefer, say, DTS Neo:6 Music for your CD player, but Dolby Pro-Logic II Cinema for 2-channel audio from your cable box. However, what is somewhat frustrating is that the detailed options for each surround format are universal. For example, if I use Dolby Pro-Logic II Music for both my CD source and XM Radio, but I prefer to have different parameters such as panorama on for one but off for the other, I have to manually change this each time I switch the inputs.

These surround parameters persist for the surround mode rather than the source, which may be frustrating for some potential buyers. Also included is the Neural surround mode. This is a relatively new entry into the surround market. The XM-HD surround channels use Neural technology to encode their signal in surround sound. The manual for the 2309CI suggests this as the intended use for this surround mode, but it works just as well with any 2-channel source. The receiver I own includes Neural’s THX 5.1 format (which I often prefer to standard Dolby Pro-Logic II), so I was actually eager to give this mode a test run. I used a couple of older DVDs that included stereo tracks, such as Sneakers and the Usual Suspects. For the most part, I preferred the Dolby Pro-Logic II mode to the Neural mode. Neural seemed to place too much audio in the rear channels for my taste. Still, it is nice to see an alternative included in this unit.

The 2309CI also includes an array of DSP and direct modes. On the DSP side you have rock arena, jazz club, mono movie (for those classic movie lovers to still get clean monaural audio), video game, matrix, and virtual modes. On the direct side, you have 5/7 channel stereo, standard stereo, direct, and pure audio. The latter’s intent is to bypass all audio processing circuitry to give you the cleanest and supposedly highest quality possible audio out of the receiver. It is a bit strange that it will also shut down the front panel display, but will continue to output video over the HDMI connection to the monitor in this mode.

In the past, when I owned a Denon AVR-3805 and engaged pure direct mode, it would shut down the video portion of the receiver completely. The regular direct mode is intended to output the signal without any audio processing, but keeps the front panel display active. Stereo mode is what I prefer when listening to 2-channel music, as it keeps the original stereo channels intact, but still allows me to apply the crossover settings to get the bass to my subwoofer.


Remote Controls

The main remote control included with the AVR-2309CI is identical to that of the one included with the AVR-689 I reviewed a few weeks back, so this section may sound familiar to some of you.

The remote has a unique, but somewhat puzzling design. It has the main features on the front, including source selection, volume, and tuning controls. It also has the ability to control source components with the standard transport controls. In addition, you can manipulate the Audyssey settings and speaker levels. But where are the surround mode options? Flipping the remote over, there is a large door that swings open to the side, revealing more source selection controls, as well as the surround controls. I found it odd that Denon would choose to put these controls on the back of the remote hidden behind a door while the speaker level and Audyssey settings remain easily accessible on the front. You are much more likely to make adjustments to the surround parameters during normal every day use than to mess with your calibration settings.

Still, there are things to like about the remote as well. The volume buttons are large, and the volume up is convex, while the volume down button is concave, making it easy to distinguish one from the other in the dark. Similarly, the other buttons are different enough that it would be rather easy to learn your way around the remote by touch. The overall size and weight are comfortable, but I just wasn’t thrilled with having to open a door on the bottom of the remote to access some of the basic functions.

One thing I noticed while reviewing the 2309CI is the very useful Video Select button on the remote. Denon receivers have long been able to play the audio from one source while playing the video from another, however, historically there was no button included on the remote control to do this. You had to get up off the couch and do it the old fashioned way – using the front panel controls. Still, the feature was not much more useful with the remote control button in my environment because it does not work with HDMI sources. So much for that. Also included with the 2309CI is a secondary remote control for zone 2 control.

Many home theater enthusiasts use universal remotes or perhaps even more elaborate control systems. Personally, I have a Logitech Harmony 880. For those unfamiliar with the Harmony line, it uses a web based system for selecting the source components to program the remote. This makes it very easy to quickly add a new component and integrate its control into all of your pre-built activities (basically, in the Harmony world, an activity is a macro that will turn on the appropriate components and select the proper inputs with the touch of one button).

I did just that when I started testing the AVR-2309CI, for which Logitech’s website already had the remote codes. It took no more than 20 minutes to get the remote working the way I like with this receiver, and all the functions I needed were easily mapped to the soft buttons.

 


 

Audio Performance

Denon has brought quite a bit to the table in terms of audio with this receiver. Rated at 100 watts per channel, the 2309CI had plenty of power at reference level during my testing (although I would not normally keep it that loud!). The noise floor was considerably lower than it had been with the AVR-689, which brought out more detail in all of the classical music I threw at it. The richness of the DTS surround track found on the Fellowship of the Ring was handled perfectly by the 2309CI. While in the Midgewater Marshes, the insects buzzing behind my ears sounded very real. Any scene which featured the eerie voices in Frodo’s head was a treat for the ears.

I also did quite a bit of listening to the excellent Pandora streaming service, using a great application called Airfoil to capture the audio on my computer and send it to the Airport Express. I realize that this is not necessarily the highest fidelity source to test with, but the challenge of making digital music sound good is one which any receiver worthy of consideration ought to succeed at. The 2309CI definitely did. The receiver additionally has a “restorer” function which is supposed to increase the quality of lossy digital music, such as MP3s. Personally I did not find much difference when engaging these modes, although I have to admit I encode my digital music at no less than 192KHz with the highest quality settings when I do so. The bottom line here is that the AVR-2309CI performed spectacularly when it came to audio of any kind.

Two new features of the Audyssey MultEQ system are Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume. The former is intended to prevent the “deterioration” of sound as the volume gets lower. Typically, a lot of detail can be lost when playing music or movies at low levels. The Dynamic EQ feature is supposed to work with the Audyssey EQ settings to maintain this detail and quality of sound even at low levels. The Dynamic Volume feature builds on this by addressing the issue of large variations in volume, such as between different passages of a movie, or between a TV show and a commercial. The idea is very similar to a traditional “nighttime” listening mode that compresses the dynamic range. For those of you who read my AVR-689 review, you will remember that I was somewhat unimpressed with these features. I can say that after using them on this receiver, I have been sold!

In preparation for my trip to the theater to see Quantum of Solace, I pulled up Casino Royale on my HD-DVR one evening. I have two young children in my house, and not a lot of space separates my viewing area from their bedrooms, so I don’t get to watch movies at the levels I prefer very often. Hoping to have a better experience with the Audyssey features this time around, I engaged both and the result was amazing! Unlike my previous experience with Dynamic Volume, the sound was lively and rich. I did not feel like the bass was too loud, nor did I feel that everything sounded dull (as I alluded to in the previous review). I was able to watch the film with all of its wonderful action sequences at a low volume level but with all of the intricate detail and enough bass to make me forget I was using a “night time” mode. That, I suppose, is the real key…that these features are working best when you don’t even realize they are working.

 


 

Video Capabilities and Performance

Video processing capabilities and performance have become a major selling point for mid-level and above audio/video receivers. In the last couple of years, we have seen the feature set shift from simple video conversion (taking one format and converting it to another such as S-Video to component video), to advanced analog to digital conversion, video scaling, and deinterlacing.

The 2309CI includes these advanced features in the form of a Faroudja DCDi FLI2310 Video Processing and Scaling chip, which is capable of outputting video up to 1080p. The receiver can take any analog format and convert it to HDMI, while also giving you the option to scale it to 1080p for output to a monitor that supports it. Alternatively, it can also output 1080i, 720p, or 480p, however, this receiver is not capable of outputting a 720p source as 1080i or vice versa.

What is really nice is that you can set the option to perform these tasks on a per-source basis. For instance, one could set the DVD source to convert the video from component to HDMI, but leave the resolution untouched by turning off the i/p scaler. Then, for the TV source, one might choose to both convert the video to HDMI and scale it to 1080p. This granularity is certainly welcome. If you have a component that you know has excellent video processing, such as the Denon DVD-3930CI, and you want to avoid having the receiver touch the video at all, you can turn that functionality off completely for that input, but leave it on for, say, the cable DVR that has poor upscaling performance.

Sounds pretty awesome, no? So here’s the kicker…the scaling functionality is only available for analog video sources (so the above example of the DVD-3930CI may be moot if you are outputting via HDMI). At first I thought the feature was totally broken, as I would set one of my sources to scale from 480i to 1080p through the receiver, but my HDTV informed me that the incoming signal was the same as what was coming in to the receiver. I tried this with several of my sources, and it was the same each time.

Then I got to the SlingCatcher, which happened to be the first component video source I tried. Surprisingly, I found that the scaling worked at that point. I set the device to output 480p, and sure enough, when I set the i/p scaler on and to output at 1080p, my television showed that it was indeed coming in at that resolution. I confirmed this with Denon as well. The AVR-3808CI is the first model in the lineup that does video scaling for HDMI sources. I re-read the online specifications page as well as the receiver’s manual, and while there is one vague allusion to this fact in the i/p scaler page in the manual, it is never plainly spelled out anywhere that there is no ability to scale HDMI-sourced material.

Doing some further testing, I also found that when inputting 480i over component, if I had the source set to convert but not to scale, it lacked color and looked pixilated. As soon as I changed the source to output 480p instead of 480i with the same settings on the receiver, the problem went away. I am not sure if this was a bug in the software, a hardware problem, something in my HDTV, or what, but I point it out since it is what I observed.

So, after finding that I would need to test the scaling and deinterlacing performance with an analog source, I reconnected my HD-DVD player using component video cables and an optical audio cable instead of HDMI. I first wanted to test the performance of standard DVD, so I set the HD-DVD player to output video at 480i, and the receiver to convert and scale it to 1080p. The results were quite good. I tested using some scenes from the extended version of The Fellowship of the Ring. I will admit, after watching mostly HD sources these days, even the best DVDs don’t look as good as they used to. In reality, they look the same, but my point of view has changed significantly. In any case, for SD video, this DVD is one of the top notch presentations.

The 2309CI did an admirable job in the scaling and deinterlacing department. Throughout the testing, I saw no artifacts, or pixilation. Colors were relatively deep and accurate. The large, sweeping shot of Gandalf flying through the snow covered mountains on his way to Rivendell, for example, looked wonderful, and played without apparent judder or distracting noise, as did the majestic pan over Rivendell itself. I would be pretty happy using this receiver to do my video scaling if I had my DVD player and HD-DVR connected via component cables.

 


 

Other Features

There are several other features that may be of interest to potential buyers. First off, the 2309CI includes a phono input with ground, an input that has been disappearing on lower end receivers. Next, as with nearly Denon’s entire AVR lineup, you can connect an iPod dock connector for use with Denon’s array of iPod docks. The benefit to such a setup is not only the ability to listen to all of your music from your iPod, but also the ability to control the iPod directly through the Denon receiver.

The 2309CI also includes both Sirius and XM compatibility. Despite the fact that they are now one company, their tuning equipment remains separate at this time, so it provides functionality for both. Of course, an external tuner and antenna is required.

Another useful feature is the multichannel analog inputs. Whether using an old HD-DVD player, Blu-Ray player, or some other external component, it is I nice to have the ability to make use of their audio decoding if you so choose. The only drawback to using the multichannel input is that you cannot apply any of the 2309CI’s processing to the source. The multichannel input is a direct pass through to the amplifier, and does not get processed at all. This means no bass management, and no surround mode selection. What you send to the receiver is what it sends out.

The AVR-2309CI also includes zone 2 functionality. If you drive only 5.1 speakers in your main room, you can assign the remaining two amplifiers to zone 2, and run a set of stereo speakers at that zone. As I mentioned earlier, you can control zone 2 with the included secondary remote control. The value of this feature is tempered, however, by the fact that it only allows analog stereo to be sent to the zone 2 output. Anything coming in via optical, coaxial, or HDMI audio is not available to the second zone. If you don’t use zone 2, and still only drive 5.1 speakers, you can alternatively use the remaining two amplifier channels to bi-amp your front left and right speakers.

 


 

On the Bench

All distortion measurements were made within an 80 kHz bandwidth. Two channels were driven for all tests.

At 20 volts into 8 ohms (50 watts), IMD was 0.008%

Measured frequency response was 10 Hz - 50 kHz, - 1 dB at 5 volts and 20 volts into either 8 ohms or 4 ohms.

THD+N vs. Frequency was about the same at 5 volts and 20 volts into 8 ohms or 4 ohms, except for slightly higher distortion above 1 kHz for the 20 volts into 4 ohm measurement.

At 8 ohms, distortion decreased with power output until 130 watts, then rapidly rose to clipping (1% THD+N) at 150 watts. At 4 ohms, power output was 170 watts before the rapid rise to clipping at 200 watts (these tests were with two channels being driven).

 


 

Conclusions

The AVR-2309CI comes in at an MSRP of $849. This puts it squarely in the midrange tier of the receiver market. There are definitely a plethora of features to like on this model that, given the price point, make this a very attractive option. The audio performance is top notch, as I have now come to expect from a Denon product. The list of supported surround codecs is comprehensive, and should provide everything needed to enjoy the latest Blu-Ray discs. The Audyssey implementation is excellent, and the latest features included really are great value adds.

The video scaling is limited in its implementation, and will only help someone who is primarily using component video connections for their sources. If you have moved to mostly HDMI as I have, the receiver’s video functionality is basically as an HDMI switcher/repeater. Still, the performance of said scaling when using component connections is quite good, and if you have an outboard video processor, then this is a non-issue. Overall, Denon has a fine product in the AVR-2309CI. If this receiver looks to be in your price range, definitely give it a listen. You just might take one home with you on the spot.

Tags: 7.1 | Audyssey Processing | Receivers

Comments (35)add comment
Denon 2309ci Questions
written by Todd Sauve , December 05, 2008

Thanks for the review. It makes me want to trade in my 12 year old Pioneer Elite VSX-05 for this one :)

It is interesting to note that in your recent review of the Denon 689 model, you did not like the Audyssey Dynamic Volume implementation but on the 2309ci (Denon 889 actually) you did like it. Why? Is it a updated version of the Volume control or a firmware update?

Also, the 2309 amplifiers' performance under a 4 ohm load seems more than adequate, while you did not enjoy it under the 689's power. Is it really that much different?



PS
written by Todd Sauve , December 05, 2008

How about a review of the Denon 789? It falls between the 689 and 2309 in price and features and I'm sure there are MANY other people out there who would enjoy a review of it, especially since you folks do such a thorough wringing out of each model. It is a pleasure to read and learn from :)


PS Qestion
written by Todd Sauve , December 05, 2008

Does the subwoofer preamp output work under every condition, not just under surround modes?


Some responses
written by Gabriel Lowe , December 10, 2008

Hey guys! I am glad you enjoyed the review. I certainly enjoyed doing it. To answer some of the questions:

1) I speculate that the Dynamic Volume/EQ features were the same on both receivers, but the amplifier stage on the 2309 is better, thus, the performance was better. I can't substantiate that since it is a subjective statement, but all I can say was that my experience was better on the 2309

2) I am not sure if we plan on doing a review of the 789, but we can certainly look into it.

3) From my testing, the subwoofer works in all modes except Pure Direct. This is subject to the crossover settings of course.



Video Processors
written by Blaine , December 10, 2008

I've been leaning toward Denon for the past few weeks as I've research'd a plenty (I'm upgrading to 7.1). One test on Video Processors has thrown me for a loop, where the Denon 3808 rated poorly while Onkyo scored favorably. Per the Denon site, the processors used in the 2309 are inferior to the Genesis/Faroudja FLI-2310 chip used in the 2809/3808. What does this say for the 2309 or anything Denon makes sub $2000.

In my study, it's apparent that this analyst, Kris Deering, is very good and highly regarded (and a contributor to Secrets at one point in time???). Kris is the first I've seen to actually test chipsets and show how the processor fares in a product. Thus my slack-jaw response to the AVR-3808 test.

I posted a similar note on Secret's "recent" Onk 805 review because sound is great but video processing stunk. Seems the SR875/870 fixes that with a higher quality chip (nearly the same one in Denon AVR5308, which is $1k more expensive than the 875). Of course, another forum shows Onkyo is not passing BTB (not a true passthru from source to monitor) which is a flaw Yamaha is getting hammered on.

Now, I'm looking into Integra and Marantz because Onkyo just seems to have cut corners. (Secret's 805 review and pics of the fan-layout confirms this).

I almost wished I didn't give a damn. Nevertheless, I'm in IT and study everything. It's a bloody curse.



Video Processors response
written by Gabriel Lowe , December 15, 2008

Blaine-

I too am in IT, so I know exactly what you mean! I don't know if I would call that chip "inferior". Sometimes newer chips that are of a lower model number outperform their higher end predecessors. In addition, the chip itself isn't always the only factor in performance. It is also the manufacturer's implementation and software that make a difference.

Now, I can't speak to that specific chip versus the one found in the AVR-2809/3808, although I CAN say that -having used both the 3808 and the Onkyo TX-SR875, the Onkyo does fare much better. With the AVR-2309CI that I reviewed, I definitely didn't think the video processing was as good as the 875, but I did think that for what it does (analog to digital upscaling) that it did an admirable job.



What about analog video source from VCR machine?
written by Larry Croft , December 19, 2008

Absolutely fantastic easy to understand and comprehensive review! Does the Denon 2309C1 upgrade the video from a standard vhs tape played on a vhs machine with s video outputs?


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written by JEJ , December 19, 2008

The 2309 has a larger power supply and would be more likely to handle 4 ohm loads than the 689. However, neither one is really a receiver designed to crank out loud sound into 4 ohm speakers. If you use 4 ohm speakers with these two receivers, and probably any receiver in this same price range (let's say about $1,000 or less), just be careful with the volume control. Not only would there be considerable distortion at high volume, but the receiver could overheat. If there is no thermal protection circuit in the receiver, it could be damaged. My five-channel outboard power amplifier will drive 4 ohms at full blast, no problem. It weighs 120 pounds. It's all in the power supply. The bigger, the better, and inexpensive receivers have small power supplies, because the power supply is the most expensive component in the receiver. However, some of the small receivers have pretty good performance in the preamplifier section, so a way to keep your cost down is to get the inexpensive receiver, making sure it has pre-outs for all channels so you can use it as the front end, and then getting an outboard (separate) power amplifier, many of which are also very affordable. For example, the Emotiva XPA-5 is a five-channel power amplifier, rated at 200 watts per channel into 8 ohms, fully rated into 4 ohms at 350 watts per channel, and is only $799 ($699 on sale, December, 2008).


VHS Response
written by Gabriel Lowe , December 20, 2008

Larry--

Thanks for the kind words! Yes, the 2309CI will take an S-Video or composite video source and both upscale and upconvert the video to whatever the output format is.



Just got one
written by fred white , December 25, 2008

Thanks for all info here, just got one for christmas


Congrats Fred!
written by Gabriel Lowe , December 26, 2008

I hope you enjoy the unit! That is an excellent present to receive!


Denon AVR 2309 vs Onkyo 806 VS Yamaha RX-V863
written by Chris , December 31, 2008

I have been evaluating receivers and associated pricing for the last few months in anticipation of a much needed upgrade. I keep coming back to the Denon due to the long history of fine audio.

I would be interested in any opinions regarding a choice from the 3 "finalists" I have come up with, the Denon AVR2309, Onkyo TX-SR 806, or Yamaha RX-V863. From what I have seen on this site, there seems to be some distaste for the Onkyo and all sorts of priase for the Denon.



Finalists
written by Aaron , January 06, 2009

Thanks for the great review! It's the best review of the 2309CI I've seen.

I have the exact same question as Chris. I've narrowed down my next receiver to the same 3 listed above; AVR2309CI, TX-SR 806, or the RX-V863. I need at least 3 HDMI in, I want either decent analog-HDMI video processing or the option to just pass it through (which I hear the TX-SR 806 doesn't do??), and I want support for the new HD formats (DD-TrueHD, DTS-HDMaster, and uncompressed). I keep leaning towards the 2309CI because of the decent video processing, sound quality, and the new Audyssey feature that you had good luck with. I too have the need to keep the volume lower sometimes when I watch movies as others in the house are already sleeping.

One thing that worries me is whether or not it has enough power to run the my speakers. My fronts are a set of Gershman Accoustics X-1/X Cube. My current receiver (Integra DTR-7.2) runs them just fine with 105w. Do you think the 2309CI will have any trouble running them?

Thanks again!!! -Aaron



2309 and onkyo 806
written by jack , January 11, 2009

ive read both reviews and just want to make one point crystal clear for myself... can the denon passthrough an hdmi video signal WITHOUT modifying it in any way unlike the 806?


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written by Aaron , January 13, 2009

According to page 6 of this review, it will pass through the analog signal without touching it, if you turn off the i/p scaler. I think that is a great option.

I'm still leaning towards this receiver, but I'm just worried about it's power. Does anyone know if this thing has enough juice to power a set of 10" and 6 1/2" drivers in the Gershman Accoustics X1/X-Cube set? I need to be sure whatever I choose has enough power to run those enough.



AVR-2309CI vs. AVR-889 vs. Marantz SR5003
written by Bill , January 13, 2009

Thank you for your excellent review of the 2309CI. I currently have a Marantz SR5600 which I am very pleased with but is pre HDMI and does not have the ability to decode the new HD codecs. I would like to update my receiver and it is between the three above. The new Denon's are more featured packed than the Marantz. For approximately the same money, which one would you recommend?


Thank You!
written by Mark , January 27, 2009

This is by far the most comprehensive, detailed and objective review of the 2309 I've found anywhere on the www.

I've found it immensely revealing and helpful. I'm getting mine in a month or so.

Many thanks for performing and piblishing it.

Mark,

Dublin, Ireland



outstanding review!
written by erik in chicago , January 28, 2009

thank you for taking the time to review the 2309ci. i purchased this unit today. it is my 1st receiver. given that i am using a ps3 to play games and watch movies on my samsung la46a650i via hdmi i think it will serve my needs with aplomb.

i also picked up the denon asd-3n to stream internet radio via my ipod touch. it would have been wonderful for the 2309ci to have ethernet or a usb, but this solution should work for me.



Some Responses
written by Gabriel Lowe , January 29, 2009

Thanks for the comments everyone! To answer a few questions:

1) Of those three receivers, I have only personally used this Denon, though we also have a review of the TX-SR806. I have owned all three brands, and have been happy with them all. I think you should definitely read our review of the 806. Both that review and this one point out the positives and negatives, and your choice will likely come down to which one has a combination of the best feature set and least amount of compromises for your taste. I can't say about the Yamaha, unfortunately, but again, I had an RX-V992 for many years that was quite wonderful.

2) As far as those Gershman Acoustics speakers, I suppose it depends on the size of your room and how loud you like to play your media, but as those are 8ohm speakers, you will probably be fine. I don't really see specs on their site as to what they recommend as far as power goes to drive them. You might want to shoot them an email and ask.

3) As Aaron writes, you CAN turn off any video processing for a given source so the native resolution is passed through.

4) Bill - sorry, I have no experience with the Marantz receiver. They definitely put out quality products, but so does Denon. Perhaps the feature set should help guide your decision.

5) Erik - to your point about ethernet. I find that there are more and more streaming/server type devices that can handle the network stuff outside of the receiver itself, so this will be less and less important as time goes on. Just my opinion.



AVR 1909/2309 same as AVR 889/789 except for CI
written by Jonathan , February 11, 2009

Beyond reproach review! Thank You! Certainly learned a lot and is inspiring to learn more to maximize full use and benefit of AV Receivers. Read the Onkyo 806 review and was scared enough of the underpower/overheat potential problem. I would think the same problem would be with the Onkyo 706 as well. After your posts, I'm nearly sold on the Denon, but I am also considering the Pioneer VSX 01 or VSX 03 with the anti jitter feature for VHS/DVD. MY question is about bi amplification. Both the Onkyo/Denon seem to have this, I'm thinking this is the A, B, AB speaker button function which is not avail on the Pioneer models mentioned. So if I chose the Pioneer, I'm guessing an external power amplifier would be needed. I would greatly appreciate your input, as most BB and CC employees don't even know what I am talking about. I have a Samsung 61a750 DLP with LED, Definitive Technology Mythos 1 Towers, Energy 5.1 (will be upgrading to match DT Mythos line), Sony BDP BX1 (I'm told same as BDP 350) got from Costco. Question here is (of course to be responsible and eliminate as many quest. as poss. I read the review), but the question remains can this player as well as 350 produce 7.1 like the 550 or does it not matter b/c both go thru AV Rcvr? Lastly there is a lot of stuff on the www about cables. I get that there digital and it either works or doesn't, but what about these new Monster 1000 cables that claim the 120 HZ speed over those 60 HZ speed cables. Is there a diff here. I apologize in advance for these quest., but to be honest this site and your input is trustworthy. I belong to AVS forum and can hardly believe the shady/tainted/bias comments. Thank You very much. I would be very grateful for your inputs.


Not the writer but...
written by Andrew Yang , February 11, 2009

Jonathan,
The owner of Blue Jeans Cable has written at length regarding digital and cables. I've had some correspondence with Kurt over at BJC regarding the topic more generally as well. First off, the idea that digital either gets there or doesn't isn't quite the axiom that many hold it to be. While there are definitely instances where that is true, there is a lower bound below which there is data loss.

Having said that, Monster's done a fantastic job marketing the benefits of their cables, in case the sarcasm is lost in the text, that would be a sarcastic statement. I'll be blogging here in the next couple months on this topic. The signal sent from any consumer video source today 1) not capable of higher than 60 Hz and 2) with the exception of newer camcorders, not capable of sending deep color. So while it has been shown that in the case a much higher bit-rate signal does degrade if the cable is not suitably constructed, the current target remains 1080p/60 Hz/24 bit. The 60 Hz to 120 Hz (or 240 Hz or 480 Hz) conversion happens in the display and not at the source.

Not to put words in Gabe's mouth, but I would think he'd be in agreement? Gabe?



Andrew Yang Cables
written by Jonathan , February 12, 2009

Well Thank You! So I understand you correctly, Example: The PS3 was manufactured before 120 Hz motion speed was mainstream. So adding a 120 Hz Monster 1000 HD cable would be akin to the 90's era of putting a 56k modem on a 28.8 telephone line. Yeah the modem is better, but in can only handle the speed of the source line itself so it won't transmit at 56k anyway? Is this the same idea? BTW please keep me posted on your findings with Kurt @ BJC. I'll be checking them out right now. Thanks Again.
Jonathan



Wait for the blog but...
written by Andrew Yang , February 13, 2009

The analogy is close enough to get the point across. I wouldn't say I have an ongoing conversation with Kurt regarding the topic, but I will definitely expand upon it in the blog. Look for it in April.




Sound Quality Comparison of 2309 and 1909
written by Blair , February 20, 2009

Nice review! Gabriel, would you say the sound quality of two-channel audio for music on the AVR-2309 is identical or almost identical to the AVR-1909?


Thank You!!
written by Kevin , March 01, 2009

Not being an IT person but appreciating the value of good research and practical opinions, I must say "thanks" for a good review and input. I have spent a number of hours comparing the comparable Yamaha; Pioneer and Onkyo AVR's. This review helped me go with Denon. Will let you know how it goes.


...
written by Virginia , March 02, 2009

I too thank you for this review. I only wish you could come here and set ours up. OY! it seems I am spending forever with this manual. It would be nice if they'd made a set-up for dummies manual. I can't for the life of me get the other rooms' speakers to run.


Questions On Connectivity
written by Mark , March 08, 2009

Hi,

I'm waiting for my 2309 to come into stock, probably this week.

I'll have pretty similar sources to those mentioned in the review:

Satellite tuner (Humax Foxsat HDR)
Digital terrestrial TV tuner (unknown at this time)
DVD player (Denon DVD-1740)
XBox 360 Elite
PS3
Wii
MP3 player (Creative Zen)
Laptop

The Satellite tuner, DVD-1740, XBox & PS3 will be connected to the AVR-2309 by HDMI alone, though I may also connect the DVD-1740 by stereo phono for analog audio.

If the DTT tuner has a HDMI output, I'll connect it to the TV (TH-50PZ80) with that, and to the AVR-2309 by optical or coaxial - whichever the tuner has.

If not, I'll connect it to the AVR-2309 by component and optical/coaxial.

I'll connect the Wii like you did - to one of the component inputs for video and to a stereo phono input for audio. How did you you assign the inputs so that the audio could be heard along with the video being seen?

I'm asking in advance of doing some work on the AV wall, so that I can install & conceal all the correct cables.


Thanks,

Mark



Sound quality
written by Gabriel Lowe , March 08, 2009

Blair- I can't really comment on the 1909 as I have not heard it.

Virginia- Sorry to hear about the setup hassles. I recommend you contact Denon if you are really having trouble. Also, provide them with feedback about the manual. That's the only way a company can truly know what their customers think!



Video Performance
written by J Kramar , April 08, 2009

Currently I watch alot of television via digital cable box with HDMI cable to a new Samsung 55" LED screen. I have not invested in a new receiver yet and am wondering if running an HDMI cable from the cable box through a receiver with decent video upscaling will improve the picture quality of non-HD programs. If so, which receiver would you recommend? I am leaning toward Denon or Marantz for sound quality but am confused about video performance. It seems from reviews that Denon's video upscaling is better than Marantz. Is there a big difference in video performance between the Denon 2309CI and the2809CI?

Thanks!!!



Video performance & new question
written by Ross Hoo , April 13, 2009

Kramar....I Just recently purchased the Denon2309ci and think it sound great and does well with the video upconversion, pictures now look better on my 52" Sony Bravia then they did before on a direct to TV hookup. All using Component video lines except Bluray player(HDMI).

I am learning lots and do need some help.....

My Starchoice Satelite has a DVI hook up with HDMI connection at other end of cable. I know this carries no sound but it WILL NOT work for any video using the Denon receiver...why?
I am forced to use the compontent connection.



Just hooked it up today... So far I really like it.
written by Aaron , April 13, 2009

Well, I just unboxed and set this unit up today. So far I really like it. But when you hear people complain about the manual and settings being ridiculously unintuitive and difficult, BELIEVE THEM. I was actually excited to get this unit hooked up so I could fiddle with all the settings and learn how to use it. I had no idea what was in store for me. The settings are really foolishly put together, and the manual is all over the place. Also, the remote is a bit of a pain to use. I couldn't figure out how to use the shift buttons on the front side of it, so I had to keep opening up the back of it instead. Luckily, I have a Harmony One universal remote (just got that too...), so getting the few buttons I needed programmed into that made things much easier. I had a couple issues with the HDMI and my TV, but I figured out what was causing them. Make sure not to turn on HDMI Control unless you know your TV won't have any problems with it. I have a Mitsubishi WD-65734, and after I enabled that option, I had a really tough time getting things working again. But with those few issues aside, I really like this unit. The front is very simple looking with few buttons and dials on it (though sometimes I wish they had a few MORE buttons there, like for specific inputs and DSPs). The sound is great. I upgraded from an Integra DTR-7.2 (older 5.1 system), and the new HD formats sound great. I was afraid that this Denon may not have enough power to run my speakers, but it has had no trouble at all. I haven't really listened to the Audyssey settings too much yet, but I did run the auto setup speaker calibration, so I'll try the Audyssey sometime soon. I don't have anything hooked up to it that isn't already outputting at 1080p via HDMI (PS3, X360, and a PC), so I can't comment on its video scaling and conversion. But from everything I've heard, it's pretty good. I got my unit from 6thave.com, for just over $600. I chose them because they are an authorized e-tailer for Denon. I've heard Denon is strict with their warranties, and may not support your unit for the full 3 years if you didn't buy it from one of their authorized sites.

Anyways, great unit so far. Great audio, passes HDMI just fine, and it was about HALF the price of my old Integra DTR-7.2. I'm very satisfied so far.



Setup issues? Check out this page for some easier instructions
written by James , April 15, 2009

To Virginia and others having setup issues - check out http://batpigworld.com/

I'm hoping to pick up a 2309 in the next few days (need to find time to stop by my dealer), so I haven't tried setting this monster up yet, but I found that "Batpig" has done a pretty good job if explaining what Denon has apparently come up a bit short on.

Good luck!



Nice Review
written by James , April 22, 2009

I have been a 2-channel stereo guy since 1983. I currently have a Music Hall Integrated amp, Music Hall CD player and Celestion 6si speakers. I find it hard to imagine that any receiver can do both the over processed movie sound tracks and then still be able to render a high quality stereo image. I like the idea of having a pre/pro and a dedicated 3,5 or 7 channel amp to drive any speaker set I may want to use. I know the allure of the receiver is the "all-in-one" packaging. I am an old electronics tech as well. I know from experience that I prefer simplicity. The more complex a componet is the more likely a problem will occur. This is not to say that the Denon will not end up in my system, only that if I have the finances and it has a high WAF, I would prefer separates.


Got one yesterday
written by John Rossi , May 04, 2009

Got one yesterday to replace my existing Denon receiver which is about 10 years. I was really surprised how the receiver took control and recognized all of my devices (Sat TV/Tivo/Blu-Ray DVD/Recordable DVD Player) with no additional setup. Had a little difficulty with the speaker calibration, but tweeked the Center Channel slightly to have the main voice louder.

Love the new reciever...



Tivo?
written by marcus , November 11, 2009

Hey John, just wondering if you had any problems w/ the TiVo and DRM if you hooked it up by HDMI? A previous Denon receiver would not work w/ tivo and HDMI.



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