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Onkyo TX-SR806 THX Ultra2 Plus 7.1 A/V Receiver
Written by Brian Florian   
Sunday, 19 October 2008 17:00
Article Index
Onkyo TX-SR806 THX Ultra2 Plus 7.1 A/V Receiver
Page 2: Design of the Onkyo TX-SR806
Page 3: Onkyo TX-SR806 Videoprocessor, Audio, THX and more
Page 4: The Remote
Page 5: Onkyo TX-SR806 Room EQ
Page 6: Onkyo TX-SR806 On the Bench
Page 7: Onkyo TX-SR806 Final Thoughts and Conclusions
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Onkyo TX-SR806 Receiver


Introduction

I've been following and reporting to you on Onkyo's 800 series receivers for some time now.  They occupy that juicy $1000ish slice of the market and have done quite well, as such.

Milestones include the original 800 in 2004, a most impressive THX Select receiver, and last year, when they raised the price by only $100, yet achieved THX Ultra2 status on the model 805.

Today's subject is no less than the newest entry in that line, the TX-SR806.  In the broad strokes it ups the ante with better video processing, a revised I/O compliment which tilts things more towards the digital, and THX Ultra2 Plus status, which we will take the opportunity to introduce to you later in this review.

All without raising the SLP from $1099.  Did they have to give up anything?  Let's find out!

Specifications

  • Codecs: Dolby Pro Logic IIx, Dolby Digital+, Dolby TrueHD, DTS (ES, Neo:6, 96/24), DTS-HD Master
  • Precision: 24-Bit/96kHz A/D, 24-Bit/192kHz D/A
  • 2-Zone Operation
  • Satellite Radio Capable
  • Power Output: 130 watts RMS/Channel @ 0.03%THD, 2 Channels Driven into 8 Ohms
  • MFR: 10Hz - 100kHz (+1dB, -3dB)
  • THD:  0.08% (20Hz - 20kHz)
  • Dimensions:  7.6" H x 17.1" W x 18.1" D
  • Weight: 45.2 Pounds
  • MSRP: $1,099 USA
  • Onkyo USA

The Design of the Onkyo 806

Small things don't go unnoticed. When FedEx dropped the unit off at my office, I immediately noticed that I could lift the thing without too much strain whereas last year I distinctly remember asking for help getting the previous model into the car.  What's more amusing is that the very next day I was contacted by a reader asking if I would be reviewing the 806, and what did I make of the weight reduction.  Consumers notice things like that.

As I've come to expect, the TX-SR806 arrived very well packed. Two substantial pieces of Styrofoam cradle the unit, and a soft foam sheet inside the requisite plastic bag protects it from scuffs when being unpacked.

The front panel is the now familiar Onkyo layout.  Direct input selection is available, and the large machined aluminum volume knob has a nice solid feel.  Behind the drop down panel are a plethora of mainly "one-use" buttons such as the setup cursor pad, but also mode selection buttons, should the occasion arise where they are more convenient than reaching for the remote.

Onkyo TX-SR806 Receiver

The back is where things start to change.  Though a dedicated phono/turntable input still survives in this digital age, beyond it and counting the convenience input on the front, there are a total of eight addressable inputs, five of which have composite and S-Video, and two have rec-out lines. Three coax, two optical, and 5 HDMI digital jacks, plus two component video lines, may be assigned to any of the core inputs.  Not to be forgotten is the 7.1 analogue input (again assignable to any of the core inputs), 7.1 preouts, AM and FM antenna jacks, and ports for both XM and Sirius satellite Radio. The 806 boasts 2-Zone opration with stereo outputs in both line level and speaker level.

For the custom installer a modicum of features: IR in/out, 12V trigger out, and an RS-232 communications port.

The biggest news with the 806 is that Onkyo has now upped the video processor from a basic implementation of the Sage/Faroudja FLI2300, to the 30336, making it effective all the way up to 1080 line.  We'll deal with its implementation and limitations a little later.

The multi-channel line-level jacks are comprehensively color coded, but the speaker jacks are themselves not color coded like last years model: the silk screening on the back panel has the common color code but that is all but invisible when one is hunched over from the front trying to make connections in a rack or cabinet.  While certainly of adequate strength, the speaker connectors won't take a spade lug, but they worked with my speaker wire termination of choice: the venerable banana.

Inside: more changes.  Popping off the lid we make some intuitive observations.

Onkyo TX-SR806 Receiver

One can see at a glance the large (though not overly so) power supply off to one side.  The chassis is then divided by one large full-width heat sink, beyond which all the boards are laid horizontally and thus "stacked".

Gone are what we thought to be intelligently implemented air conduits either side of the heat sink in the 805, each with an on demand fan.  Instead a single fan, mounted in free air mind you, sits front and center.  The point of it is questionable since, as anyone with experience designing cooling for electrical components will tell you, this is about the most inefficient way to add active cooling to a passive heat sink system.  The relative relevance of this will be of more importance when we discuss amplifier power later on in this review.

For the 806, Onkyo went with a Texas Instruments DSP package and Cirrus Logic 24bit/192kHz DACs on all channels.


The Onkyo 806 Software

Besides amplifier power, this is what an AVR comes down to.

The Video Prcocessor

As mentioned Onkyo has stepped up their game with regards to the video processor. Since this is the most significant upgrade, we'll deal with it first.

Onkyo TX-SR806 Receiver

In terms of deinterlacing, it is functional, but not stellar.  Putting it through the relevant portions of our DVD Player Benchmark tests, it nails all the essentials but has a hard time keeping up on more challenging material such as our mixed content tests and it completely falls apart on AVIA Pro motion tests (both 24 and 30 fps source).  Stepping up to 1080 line source material it had no problem finding and correctly processing a clean 3-2 cadence, and it does do motion adaptive deinterlacing of video based material. Scaling of 480 line to 1080 line is also adequate.

A byproduct of the new processor is that you get a much updated looking onscreen display even over HDMI at 1080p.  Gone are the block-type text of yesteryear in favor of a smoother more eye pleasing information display.

Basic video adjustments (black level, white level, etc) are available and are independent for each and every source. This is excellent, but these adjustments are tedious to use as the setup menu blocks your video, so you have to hit enter to "view picture" and wait several seconds to see what your are doing. Even more tedious is the aspect ratio control: Though not comprehensive it is adequate in its choices but there is only one setting shared by all inputs and it is buried deep in a setup menu.

The bottom line is that if you have nothing else, the 806's video processor is nice, especially for something like HD Cable or Satellite boxes which at best turn out their native 1080i60 signal format.  For hard core DVD aficionados there is no question an Oppo 983 player is still your best bet, yet not "passed through" the Onkyo.  Why?  The 806 is NOT capable of unaltered HDMI repeating!  At the very least it drops below black (even if the source is component analogue video).

Ultimately you are better running source straight to display, but that is going to be a problem for Blu-Ray since you MUST run it through the Onkyo in order for it to strip the HD audio from the HDMI stream.  This could very well be a deal breaker for many users and we hope that Onkyo can repair this flaw via firmware in the future (although without knowing the root cause we cannot say whether that is even a possibility).

Moving on to audio...

The 806 carries on Onkyo's status as a benchmark in volume control features.  The overall granularity of all adjustments, including master volume level, are half-dB increments.  Power/On volume (Fixed or Last) and Max Volume (independent for Main and Zone2), separate headphone volume, choice of mute (-dB or cut): it's all here.

The 806 boasts 2-Zone operation with both line level stereo output as well as amplified speaker outputs for zones 2.  Sadly its utility is severely diminished by the fact that while you can monitor any source independent of the main zone, only analogue inputs are valid. In years past when analogue was still dominant and DSP was still expensive, this was the norm.  But in this day and age of digital i/o prevalence, it seems a shame to omit the secondary decoder and pair of DACs required to get a fully functional Zone2. Further, Zone2 "steals" the output devices from the surround back/rear channels so when Zone2 is on, 7.1 playback is not available in the main zone.

Everything Dolby has on the table right now, right up to Dolby Digital+ and TrueHD, is supported by the 806, and the implementation is as complete as can be hoped for.  The Pro Logic IIx Music non-mandatory adjustments are available to the user, although they are buried deep in the setup and thus discourage experimentation.  EX flags are recognized, but Surr.Encode flag in two-channel Dolby Digital is ignored.  Dynamic Range Control (DRC) takes a couple button presses to get at it and there is no indication on the front panel that it is engaged.

Lock-on time of digital bitstreams is good, and over HDMI it is much improved from the 805, but there are loud relays which seem to constantly engage/disengage as bitstreams start, stop, or change.  Depending on your disposition, it can get annoying.

At the start of a bitstream, the display will (briefly) show the difference in Dialnorm assertion with reference to the default -27. So for example, if you see "Dialnorm: +4 dB", that means the output of the decoder has been raised by 4 dB.

Everything DTS has on the table right now is also supported by the 806, right up to HD Master.  Traditional DTS is attenuated by 4 dB inside the processor per THX's requirements, equating it with Dolby Digital material encoded with the default Dialnorm value of -27 (for more information on Dialogue Normalization, please see our article Dialogue Normalization: Friend or Foe).  There is no dynamic range control facility for DTS though.

You can select for each input a default playback mode for each of the various possible input formats. So for example, for a given input, you can have it default to "Stereo" on Analog/2 channel PCM material, "THX" on Dolby Digital 5.1, and "Pro Logic II" on 2 channel Dolby Digital.  You can also set each format to simply use the last mode used and that is likely where most people will leave it.

Each input can be delayed ("lip-synch" delay) up to 250 ms in 5 ms increments.  This is excellent.

When configured for a 7.1 speaker array, you unfortunately cannot choose to send the surround channels of a 5.1 source to the back surrounds (or both sides and back surrounds).

We confirmed that the 806 responsibly down-mixes 5.1 soundtracks to stereo for the sake of headphones, or, heaven forbid, if you find yourself with only two speakers, for some reason.  But, as mentioned before, this does NOT work for Zone2 as Zone2 can only monitor stereo analogue sources to begin with.

Mono soundtracks are adequately handled by the 806, giving the user control of both which channels to matrix in (left, right, or both) as well as the output configuration (left/right, or center).  Academy Filter, one of those virtual no-cost things, is conspicuously missing.

Regrettably there is no option to digitize the 5.1 analog input and thus it cannot inherit the receiver's bass management and time alignment.  Even though the source may provide for these adequately, it will never benefit from the Audyssey system or THX processes, including the new THX Loudness Plus.  Speaking of which...

THX

The 806 is our first look at an Ultra2 Plus unit, the main new feature of which is THX Loudness Plus.  This is a persistent setup choice and after experimenting with it I'm prepared to endorse its full time use.  The concept itself is not entirely new.  Soundtracks are crafted at industry standard Reference Level volume, a very loud level virtually never used in home theater settings.  In layman's terms, as we get into lower playback volumes the spectral response of our hearing changes, unequally so, as a function of direction.  As the volume drops we perceptually hear less extreme bass and treble in general, more so for sound sources behind us.  The net result is sound without the thrill of deep bass and surround sound which seems like it's just not there.  THX Loudness Plus is THX's take on an existing concept of correcting for this, bringing to the table their profound experience with soundtracks, including how we perceive them.  It applies their correction as a function of playback level: simply stated, the lower the volume, the more processing in terms of both spectral reshaping and relative channel level skewing to the surrounds.  The actual benefit: you hear a MUCH better low-volume facsimile of the full-volume multichannel soundtrack.

A legacy note: THX's Re-Eq can be turned off independently of the THX Cinema/THX Surround EX mode and to do so takes a few button presses.  We still would like to pressure both manufacturers and THX to allow this to be a persistent choice.  Right now, it's mandated that it reset to "On" whenever input or power is cycled.  In our article Cinema Sound and EQ Curves, we explain why the use of THX's Re-Eq depends, not on the media, but on the room's acoustics (meaning that using it or not should be a "Setup" choice).

Misc

The front panel display is dimmable. At the press of a button you can cycle through three brightness levels, but I must repeatedly make appeal: the lowest setting still is not low enough!

The front panel itself is still a frustrating mix of the useful and the useless. There are two lines of dot-matrix characters, plus a dedicated (though incredibly small) volume level indicator.  All status information, such as input format, post-process application etc., is carried by miniscule icons which, even at abnormally short distance, are all but indiscernible (and yes I have still have my 20-20 vision).  Their usefulness becomes a game of recognizing the position of the little blips (which is all they appear as, at any normal usage distance).


The Magic Wand

Onkyo TX-SR806 Remote Control

The remote is a bit of a departure for Onkyo.  Slightly smaller than previous offerings, it seems to give up something in terms of direct manipulation of functions.  For example, no more dedicated button for DRC or Re-Eq.  Buttons to select playback mode have been cut from 8 down to 4 (which means many more presses to get the mode you want).

The cursor pad area is decent with what is a fairy common layout.  Transport keys are varied in size, a little at least, which helps find the one you are looking for...a little.  "TV" gets its own dedicated power, volume, and channel buttons.  Muting is logically placed close to the main volume rocker which is nice.

On the whole a somewhat less than intuitive model which will requires some time and effort on the part of the user to train themselves before becoming at all adept with it.


Audyssey MultEQ / Bass Management

Onkyo has fully embraced the Audyssey automated setup and room compensation system as seen by its inclusion, in one flavor or another, in almost all their current models.

Enough has been said about MultEQ at this point, that we don't need to rehash the basics, except as it relates to its implementation in the 806.

As expected, it got speaker distance of the main channels perfect, except for the subwoofer which it interpreted as being 2.5 feet from me (instead of the actual 7.5 that it is).  It's not uncommon for such systems to turn out not-real values there, as a result of the way a room loads with bass, and in such cases it may well be best to leave it where Audyssey sets it (though the 805 hit my sub's distance bang on).  Also as expected, although relative level of one channel to another was perfect, master calibrating level was a couple dB off.  This is due to the necessarily inexpensive mic favoring spectral consistency at a cost of absolute level accuracy.

Disconcerting is Onkyo's continued omission of the choice for Audyssey's target curve.  Integral to the Audyssey MultEQ system is a choice of final curve it filters to:  the Audyssey curve, a Flat curve, or a Front curve.  The Flat curve, as its name implies, is a classic, "Let's make the system response as text-book neutral as we can," and is best for rooms which have already received a modicum of attention to their acoustics.  The Audyssey curve, which may be considered the default, is a shaped target which seeks to mitigate some of the inherent high frequency reverb of typical home spaces, not unlike what THX's Re-EQ's purpose is, but on a much more sophisticated level. The concept of the Front curve is to filter the front speakers as little as possible and make the rest of the system conform to them.  Yet integral as it is to the Audyssey system, Onkyo does not give you this choice of target curve.  Since it is inherent to the Audyssey system, "cost" is not an excuse for its omission.  Onkyo's answer to this is that while the 806 implements Audyssey with its default Audyssey curve, when in any THX Cinema mode, it implements the Flat curve.  This passes in my book because I tend to use THX processing most of the time in my acoustically treated room, but for those with good acoustics who eschew THX processing, you are out of luck here.

Switching gears to "Manual" (or if you simply override Audyssey's choices), crossover frequency can be set from 40 Hz to 100 Hz (10 Hz increments), and then 120 Hz, 150 Hz, and 200 Hz.

The crossover frequency can be set independently for each pair of speakers, the soundtrack's bass can be sent to both the main speakers and a subwoofer ("Double Bass" they call it), and the LFE channel can be low-passed at a different frequency from the rest of the bass being sent to the subwoofer . . . all of which we vehemently maintain are bad ideas, and we back that up in our essay on the subject: Miscellaneous Ramblings on Subwoofer Crossover Frequencies. It is no fault to the product's performance, but it questions Onkyo's marketing decision to give the people what they think they want even though it may mean they hang themselves with it (unaware as they may be).

In practice, this multiple crossover frequency thing is really not all that big of a deal, but if we are going to go through all this care to get the best D/A performance, the cleanest amplification, the tightest room acoustics, and then top it off with intelligent FIR based EQ, why undermine it all on a technicality?

Ultimately, I have no hesitation recommending the use of the Audyssey system to any 806 buyer, provided you, as THX recommends, do a double check of whatever is in your power to second guess, namely speaker settings, especially the subwoofer level.

The 806 has a new Audyssey feature:  Dynamic EQ.  This is, in every practical sense, the same idea as THX's Loudness Plus, but whereas this last is only "engageable" for THX playback modes, Dynamic EQ may be applied to everything else (though not the THX modes IF THX Loudness Plus is already enabled).   The goals of the two are one in the same, differing only in the underlying math.  Comparing the two is extremly difficult as one cannot "separate" THX Loudness PLus from the fundamental THX processes.  Anecdotally though, its not hard to identify Dymanic EQ as being the more "live" of the two.  It tends to add what I'd call "sparkle" to the sound, THX Loudness Plus being more "true" I feel.  If I had to pick a preference it would probably be THX's take, though if it were not available, I'd be just as happy with Dynamic EQ.  Moving forward I dont think I can live without at least one of them.


On the Bench

Here we found some, well, interesting numbers.

In terms of line level performance, within the audio band, the Onkyo exhibits a measured frequency response of 20 Hz - 20 kHz, + 0, - 1 dB. Inter-modulation distortion at the line level was actually below what our equipment can measure, while THD+N came in at a respectably low 0.00822%.

Next we confirmed Onkyo's published spec of 130W per channel, two channels driven.  We loaded two channels with 8 ohms (with the hardware set to the default >6ohm setting) and brought two channels up to 130W output where we measured THD+N at only 0.01944.  Simply excellent.

Next we moved on to the "cooking" tests.

As we've talked about in past reviews and articles, in all common amplifier topologies low-impedance loads have the inherent consequence of increased heat as the greater current (as opposed to voltage) is delivered.  Make no mistake: no matter how "good" a receiver is (no matter how much it costs), it cannot compete with separate power amplifiers for this reason.  There is simply too much crammed into one box.  Elaborate means of dissipating heat are possible, but they are expensive to the point of making the pursuit futile (i.e., you might as well just go the way of separates).

The 806 has what is common in any decent (and safe to use) receiver: a setting for low impedance speaker loads.  Specifically, in this case, you must set the receiver for either >6ohm loads or >4ohm loads.  Because of this we test the receiver's performance in both settings.

First we left the 806 in its 6 ohm setting, brought the output up to 1% THD (popularly accepted as the point of clipping), and measured the output with an 8ohm load.  We then loaded it with 4 ohms on each channel and measured again.  Switching the 806 to its  4 ohm setting we again measured with 8 and 4 ohm loads.  The results are tabulated as follows.

>6 ohm setting (default) >4 ohm setting
8 ohm load 144 Watts 36 Watts
4 ohm load 217 Watts* 56 Watts

* Time limited test under controlled laboratory conditions.

The results in the >6ohm setting are more than commendable for a receiver at this price point, with a special nod to the power delivered into 4ohms, demonstrating that the unit can swing some serious current, at least transiently.  The results when the unit was set of >4ohm load are disturbing to say the least, so much so that we must take a bit of a tangent to talk about exactly what that setting does and why it is there.

In a nutshell, it biases the power supply for less voltage and limits output as such.  The unit is prevented from dumping any significant amount of current, protecting it from ever going into a thermal meltdown, but consequently (in this case at least) putting the speakers at serious risk of damage from amplifier clipping.

The setting is there for safety reasons: when the governing bodies test an AVR for safety, included in what they do are amplifier tests involving steady state signals driven into test loads.  Under such conditions any amplifier gets hot, and when driving a low impedance load it gets even hotter.  In the case of just about every AVR on the market it gets too hot to be considered safe so the infamous speaker impedance setting is required: instead of getting hot, the amp's output is limited.  The consequences are that the unit is "safe", but underpowered in that setting (grossly so in the case of the 806).

Indeed one wonders how THX configured the unit during their tests as many THX speakers are 4ohm designs, yet in it's 4ohm setting the 806 is basically useless as an amplifier.

Now there have been some in the industry who will say, always "off the record" mind you, that using an AVR like the 806 in its default setting of >6ohms with speakers which are rated as 4ohm is just fine because no one actually plays steady state test signals all evening long.  They play movie soundtracks and music, neither of which taxes an amp the way steady state test signals do.  These people feel that the governing bodies' test methods are out of date and not indicative of real world usage.

On the flip side there are those who argue that what matters when it comes to safety is not what an AVR does "typically", but rather what is technically possible.  This seems a little extreme since it is technically possible for any automobile to be driven faster than is safe (by any standard) yet none are limited as such.

Safety is important and we at Secrets cannot endorse circumnavigating or disregarding safety functions, yet it seems clear a call must be made for a review of how CE AVRs are tested and what safety systems are mandated, perhaps with some consultation from manufacturers, people like THX, and other industry professionals.

Electrical Consumption

We also look at an AVRs idle power consumption since electricity use, especially as it relates to something "just sitting there" is of increasing importance to people.  Not surprisingly the numbers are slightly lower than last year's model:  the power-on consumption with no audio signal hovers right around 88 Watts in the default >6ohm speaker setting.  In the standby state its consumption is below what our equipment can measure so it can be assumed to be less than 2 Watts which is excellent!  As we expect, when switched to the >4ohm speaker setting idle consumption drops to just 56 Watts.  At first it may seem point moot since that setting is all but useless, however if using the 806 as a preamp/processor coupled to an outboard power amp, placing it in the >4ohm setting might shave a couple kWh off your power bill at the end of the year (or make you feel just a little less guilty if you leave it on by accident when not in use), and the unit gives off marginally less heat.

Please note and be aware though that if HDMI-Control is enabled, the 806 consumes no less than 50 Watts when in standby....all day, everyday.  The feature allows the 806 to "control" compatible equipment (say, turn on a TV for example), but would you really leave an incandescent lamp on 24/7 just for the convenience of not having to reach for its switch?


In Practical Terms

Setting up and using the Onkyo will, for most people, be simple and straightforward, especially if they make a connection to a monitor and plug in the Audyssey Mic: Do what it tells you and you'll at least be up and running with some competence.  For the neophytes, what I call the magic THX button will do the trick 98% of the time: keep hitting it till it says either movie/cinema, music, or game as need be.  For the more seasoned user, tools and tweaks abound.

In terms of subjective perfromance, I'll skip the poetic superlatives and just say it sounds good, plays loud enough, and stays clean.  Hard pressed will anyone be to find any practical shortcomings in this respect.

Conclusions

On the whole the 806 is a mixed bag when looked at as simply the next offering in a line of AVRs with a rich heritage.  There is no question that there is some value in the new video processor, value which unfortunately is undermined by its less-than correct video repeating, and while THX Loudness Plus (or Audyssey Dynamic EQ) are very compelling new features, clearly something has been given up in terms of amplifier power.

When looked at without prior prejudice, though, the 806 is a stellar value as an audio processor and is an excellent candidate on its own for smaller rooms, or strictly as a pre-amp if coupled with an outboard power amplifier.

Tags: EQ | Processors | Receivers | SSPs | THX | THX Ultra2

Comments (44)add comment
cost cutting?
written by Tyler , October 20, 2008

It appears to me that the new 806 is an example of some serious cost-cutting.

Which makes little sense as much of the design should simply be recycled 805.

I actually laughed out loud when I saw that little fan sitting completely unshrouded at the front of the unit. How could any engineering department have created such a piss-poor design is beyond comprehension.

If Onkyo wanted to update something, they should have started with the face plate, as it is quite frankly, dated beyond belief.



Can the TX-SR876 thx amp from Onkyo be better ?
written by Wim , October 20, 2008

I was pleased with your review of the Onkyo 806. However upon reading your review I immediately realised again that the 806 needed to provide "more" than just thx ultra Loudness Plus ! I purchased the TX_SR876 model just a month ago and so replaced my Pioneer LX60. I am very happy with this decision as this reminded me of my purchase of The Yamaha DSP-A1 (a century ago, remember?!!) ; a world of difference and my best decision in years again. So I would be very interested in seeing you reviewing the Onkyo TX_SR876 ! Any chance of this shortly ?? The 876 has a lot more than the 806 and you can bet that this even betters your test of the 806. The 876 sounds fabulous and I couldn't miss him! Anyway, thanks for your excellent reviews each time, I enjoy them!!


Nice review
written by ws , October 21, 2008

Thanks for the review, Brian. This box looks like its full potential has been crippled. The "upgraded" scaling is only acceptable and it cannot be defeated. The same goes for the Auddesey implimentation. The 4ohm results are concerning as well, given the heat associated with the previous generation. That is too bad.

The format was great. How long until we get the more of these mid-range AVRs into your gauntlet?

Thanks,



Glad I got the 805
written by Jerry L. Bell , October 21, 2008

I read this with some trepidation, having recently purchased an 805 based on glowing reviews from here and elsewhere. I was afraid I'd short-changed myself by not waiting. I'd decided I didn't need the enhanced video processing as my sources are all 1080i or 1080p now (DirecTV, Oppo DV-981HD and Sony BSP-350). The 805 seemed on paper to beat the 806 in audio for pretty much everything but THX Loudness Plus. After reading this review, I'm still glad I got the 805. Of course, now I'm wondering if the 805 passes HDMI video unaltered. It seems like I'd read that it did but can anybody confirm that for me?

Still, another great and useful review! Thanks!



I've got a 705...
written by gg , October 23, 2008

I'm not looking to upgrade as I'm happy with the 705, but I was somewhat dismayed to read about the 806 not passing hdmi properly.

I know the 05 series doesn't have this problem and that certain new onkyo/integra are isf certified, so it's surprising to see this.



Time for printable articles
written by Stephen , October 25, 2008

Please, can someone there make a printable version of the articles, to print one of your article means wading through all the html content on the page.

BTW, did you contact Onkyo about the shroud for the fan, or lack there of, is this just an error in manufacturing?

If they fix pass-through, given the mediocre Cirrus-Logic audio dacs, which you didn't mention (CS4382A×1), analog input for SACD may be just the ticket and it looks like that input is quite good.



What does not capable of unaltered HDMI repeating mean?
written by Chainring , November 02, 2008

"The 806 is NOT capable of unaltered HDMI repeating!"

What exactly does this mean? I have the 806 and haven't noticed any problems with anything. What am I missing?



...
written by Brian , November 03, 2008

It means that even when set to “pass through”, the 806 does not give you a bit-for-bit copy OUT of whatever you put IN.

As I noted in the review this assertion came about based on the observation that the 806 clips below-black, even when set for pass-through. That may be all there is to it or there may be more. Although I have put together a procedure for fully evaluating an HDMI repeater, the data-capture equipment required to look at single-pixel data is not available to me (big $$$).

Now some would say that if clipping below-black is all there is too it that most mass consumers won’t notice or care, but that does not make it acceptable in my book.



...
written by Stephen , November 04, 2008

Oh, BTW the weight is high by about 12 lbs the weight you quoted is for the 805


improper hdmi pass-through on entire 06 series?
written by Rit , November 06, 2008

I apologize if this is slightly out of scope, but I was wondering if Secrets staff had any information regarding HDMI pass-through for the rest of the 06 reciever line? I own a 606, and I was planning to start running everything through HDMI, but this freaks me out.


weight
written by Brian , November 06, 2008

I've fixed that typo. Thank you for pointing it out.


I think you were in a hurry with this one Brian
written by Dante , November 07, 2008

The video adjustments are working fine without leaving the screen.If you read the specs you will realise thaqt UP, DOWN, LEFT, RIGHT arrows on the remote control will do the "trick". I agree with the buggy 1080p upconversion but (based on my measurements and eye sight) , "through" works perfect.
For this price, this is the best you can find.



I never hurry
written by Brian , November 07, 2008

I sometimes make typos, but I never hurry. :)

In the respects you mention I stand by the review as written. Yes, you can make your adjustments with the source visible but my complaint was that you have to “switch” from full-screen OSD to source video in the first place. Perhaps I could have worded it more clearly and will remember that for next time.

On the subject of HDMI-through, simply stated: no it does not work perfect.

As I noted further up, no one can assert with 100% certainty that an HDMI repeater is truly transparent without capturing the digital data, something which requires a very expensive and elaborate suite of equipment including some very special PC hardware/software. However, as I noted very plainly in the review, I was able to assert (and have since had confirmed by others) that the unit clips below-black, even when properly set for HDMI-through. This alone is proof-positive that the stream is being altered. Again as I already noted above in this discussion, that alone is considered by some to be a benign alteration, but it is an alternation nonetheless and one I am not willing to simply regard as “acceptable”.

That does not mean the unit is a write-off, but rather is just my way of reviewing: I tell you good...and the not so good. You "get a square deal out of me with most of the breaks" (points to anyone who can name the movie thats from).

Ultimatly I gave the unit a qualified thumbs up in my conclusion which I dont think anyone would argue.



Onkyo TX-SR805 or Onkyo TX-SR806
written by Joe , November 15, 2008

I am trying to decide on either the 805 or 806. These are the questions I have when comparing the two:
1) If I understand correctly, the 805 has .05 thd vs the 806 at .08 thd. Should this be a concern?
2) Which one has better video processing and HDMI pass-through?
3) No BurrBrown on the 806 - should this be a concern?
4) Which one would you recommend?



...
written by Brian , November 16, 2008

1) Insignificant. The real difference is power, which the 805 has more of, particularly in terms of current.
2) Anecdotally speaking, the 805's "through" seems truer, but again this is only anecdotal at this point.
3) Purely subjective.
4) Depends on your needs. If you have no use for the deinterlacer/scaller, but could stand as much amp power as possible, then the 805 may well be a wise choice, otherwise the 806 is the more forward looking/flexible piece.



Onkyo 805 or 806 or 876 vs. Denon 2808 or 3809?
written by Jack , November 16, 2008

I am not a audiophile but want a good picture and sound. I can not decide between Onkyo or Denon. I want to stay below $1500 for this component. Which brand, which model will best suit my needs? By the way I am not a computer guru either so I also want a unit that will be user friendly. I will be adding a universal remote that I can use all over the house so the remote is not an issue for me. (I think?) I hope to have the new system in before Christmas. Please hurry.


HDMI splitter?
written by Steven , November 17, 2008

Can the HDMI cable coming out of the HD equipment (Blu-ray player) be split to send signal to the receiver for audio processing and still get pure video signal to the display?


Component/HDMI??
written by Ron , November 17, 2008

I am seriously looking at the new 876 or 906 but, like others, I am unclear as to the the interaction of the audio and video. I have a 1080i RP CRT with component only input. How does the receiver handle component out video at the same time an HDMI connection from a Panasonic BD55 or any other Blu-Ray player? Will the unit allow the video signal to pass thru in its native format(1080i and/or 480p for ST. DVD) to the component out in to the monitor and at the same time output ALL the surround formats into the receiver thru an HDMI connection from the player? OR, do I have have to hook-up BOTH component and HDMI in to the receiver OR will an HDMI(only) connection pass the video signal(along with audio) in its native format(1080i) to the monitor thru the component connections? I have reviewed a number of manuals for a number of different brands about this issue and they are unanimously quite unclear about this in the input set-ups. Comments?


Thanks for the reveiw, saved me some cash
written by Stephen , November 18, 2008

I was considering selling my 805 to switch to the 806(for loudness plus), partly due to living in an apartment and to a lesser extent the SO factor who doesn't care much for my load toys. but after reading the review I think I'll stay right were I'm at as I don't think I could get used to the new remote. My onkyo HTIB's remote was nearly Identical and I still love the feel. Plus after a year I finally have an HD stand alone, LG BH200, so I now have the satisfaction of HD audio. And the relief that all my hd dvd imports work on it.

also brain what are the chances of seeing the LG blueray players reviewed (despite the fact that mine is out of production)




HDMI pass through
written by Joe , November 21, 2008

Does the 706 have the same pass through issue? Does the 805 have this issue at all?


tx-sr 800 vs tx-sr 806? Trade up or not?
written by Randy Shealey , November 24, 2008

I have the tx-sr 800 receiver. I've been thinking about upgrading to the 806. After reading your review of the 806, I'm not sure that would be a wise move. I'll be using a PS3 for blu ray and the sony kdl-52w4100 for my display. I have enjoyed my 800, no complaints at all. Any advice?


4 OHM performance
written by justsayyes , November 27, 2008

Great review. I'm considering this receiver, but I have a set of Magnepan MC1s for the front, and MMGWs for the rear, no front or center rear, and a big sub. Given that I listen to both DVD-Audio and Blu-ray movies, should I be concerned with running the Onkyo in 6 ohm mode. I don't think I ever really listen to either music or movies at true theater levels (>90dB). I believe Maggie's are a pretty consistent 4 ohm load.


I may have screwed up.
written by Jon , December 08, 2008

I have been searching up and down the net for a firmware upgrade or something about this HDMI problem. I had bought this receiver as a gift for myself at what I thought was a very good price. But this HDMI passthru issue is enough to make a "good deal" just look... well... "not that good." I've had no response from Onkyo. Anyone else have any luck? Maybe a handwritten letter to the head of Marketing is the way to go. The sad thing is I could have gotten a receiver with fewer ports but no HDMI distortion on passthru. I thought I was being smart.:(

Thanks



Onkyo SR875/876 using SilconOptix REON processor vs the 806 Faroudja
written by Blaine , December 10, 2008

Brian,

It would be great to get a review of the SR876. A former contributor to Secrets, I believe, Kris Deering, reviewed video processors specifically back in June for another publication.

The results were surprising (Denon AVR3808 scored poorly) while the SR876 nailed it (suprising me since I've read about upscaling issues). It passed all tests (only one to do so). 3:2, 2:2 SD & HD.

Clearly the video processing is an issue on the 806. No idea if the 876 cooling set up is as ugly. Assuming the 876 audio quality is as good as your review of the 806, it seems that the SR876 is a steal at $1090 on Amazon.

I guess I could put another fan on top of the vents? http://buyextras.com/cocofankiscs.html

Thoughts?




Onkyo does not recognize issue
written by Just , December 16, 2008

Brian, I called Onkyo today (12/16/08). They say there is no issue and they have heard nothing of it. I spoke to the tech support guy who says it , at best, was probably some forums speculating.

Maybe people who have this unit should contact Onkyo (via e-mail, paper letter and voice) to get them to recognize it. Maybe they don't want to. :(

Peace.



Mr
written by Jonathan Topping , December 23, 2008

I have an 806 and am very happy with it...

I'm probably not as hardcore as others, but to me, the features of the 806 outweigh the 805's(esp the # of hdmi inputs and 1080p upscaling). I think many enthusiasts are upset that the 806 is more "mainstream" than they wished for....which I guess makes me more "mainstream" than you guys, since I couldn't tell you of any shortcomings of my unit.

I have not seen any BTB display issues, what are 2-3 good test sources to reproduce this problem? Maybe I'm looking over it, but I don't see what you used as a source to see the problem. If I can reproduce it I will call and complain for all of us. :-)



806 overheating issue?
written by Tom , December 27, 2008

I purchased an 806 and am happy with it, but have one issue that may be cured with an external fan.

When using a satellite box and upscaling to 1080p, the video disappears at times and then reappears several seconds later. I have changed settings and also moved the unit from a TV stand where it had only 1" of clearance above it to the top shelf where it has 3". Fan is on order. Has anyone else had this issue? I noticed the "blackout" more during action scenes such as large fireball explosions, but this could be coincidence.

Any help is appreciated.



Just use PLUGE
written by Brian , December 27, 2008

Jonathan,

If you (or anyone else) want to "prove" this to themselves, all you need is a good old PLUGE pattern, as may be found on any of the various AVIA and Video Essentials editions (explaining how to use it is a little beyond the scope of this feedback thread though). Of course you want to start with a source and display which are both in sync in this respect. Insert the 806 and below-black gets clipped from the HDMI output, whether the source is HDMI or A/D'ed CAV.



My picture quality from Scientific Atlantic 8300HD dropped significantly
written by Keoni , December 31, 2008

I used to use a Gefen HDMI 4-1 splitter and my HD channels were GORGEOUS. Now that I've moved to the 806, and all my HDMI cables run through it, my HD channels don't "pop" with clarity like they used to. The 806 definitely alters the signal--I've tried all combos (both on the 8300 and on the 806) and nothing comes close to the Gefen pass-through (or direct to TV). I'm quite disappointed, as I LOVE my HD stations on my Panny plasma!


Immediate Display
written by Joel , January 06, 2009

Brian, Do you recall if the "Immediate Display" option was disabled? While I don't have the receiver, the manual indicates that for true pass-through, this option should be disabled. I'm curious if BTB is still a problem if Immediate Display is disabled.


Amp Performance
written by mark , January 07, 2009

So as I read this, the 806 is lighter than the 805 due to lower grade amp. But I also see that the real performance hit only comes with >4 ohm setting and/or high volumes whereby their might by some barely perceptible THD hit. Otherwise, when my acoustic limitations are far more likely to be my living room walls or my in-wall speakers, I interpret the THX Ultra 2 to be the real benefit on the 806 in terms of better enjoyment of the movie audio at all/lower listening levels, and powerful audio reproduction when set to >6 ohm. Would you agree?


...
written by gary , January 28, 2009

"Ultimately you are better running source straight to display, but that is going to be a problem for Blu-Ray since you MUST run it through the Onkyo in order for it to strip the HD audio from the HDMI stream. This could very well be a deal breaker for many users and we hope that Onkyo can repair this flaw via firmware in the future (although without knowing the root cause we cannot say whether that is even a possibility"

Is this an issue with all A/V receivers or just with the Onkyo's?

thanks



Onkyo TX-SR806 VS 805
written by Luis Santiago , February 19, 2009

Hey!I prefer the TX-SR805 VS 806 In all ways First i see the 805 has bigger power supply and the circuit amplification too vs 806 is a little power supply Second the sound is very powerful in 805 vs 806 Third the 805 has burr brown D/A converter vs 806 NO Four i prefer the omitting the upconversion in 805 vs 806 has,in other words i'm not sacrifice the quality construction and better sound than the worst construction has 806.


Blue Ray to the TX-SR806
written by Adam , March 09, 2009

I recently purchased and 806 from Circuit City who went out of business and have yet to install it. Can somebody shed some light on the issue this unit has with a blue dot on video and a potential for problems with Blue Ray because of HDMI?


Pros and Cons . . .
written by RB , March 13, 2009

I purchased the 806 about a month ago. I would recommend it given it's price point and features. If the pros outweigh the cons for you it's worth a close look . . .

On the pro side, I like the receivers handling of all the latest formats. I run 7.1 TrueHD via MCPCM from my PS3 and the blu-ray wow factor is very high- better than other receivers? I wouldn't know, but I don't know that I could tell if it was. The audyssey toolset is handy and 90% accurate for simple setups. I weighted my setup with multiple readings from my primary seated position, and I couldn't have balanced it better myself. Input customization and soundfield options are extensive, but as Brian said, you'll find yourself using THX (Ultra2 for 7.1) modes (music/cinema/games) for all but two channel audio. For two channel, I use Pure Audio or Direct. With the PS3 set to output PCM, I have to manually change modes depending on the media, the 806 sees it all as well MCPCM. Not a biggie though. Remote is good, it replaced a Sony Commander, and adequately controls everything, even the PS3 through a third party IR receiver and the "learn" function. Heat with my unit has not been an issue, but my receiver also has full 360 degree ventilation.

As for the negatives . . . I am not happy with the upscaling. I initially tried to upconvert all sources to 1080p- and send them up to my 50" Panny Plasma. I noticed some softening of my 1080i feed from my XBOX, and some occasional pixeliation from my Motorola Cable box. I switched all inputs to "pass through" and the upscaling issues went away. As for the video clipping issue (processing in pass through mode), under normal use I can't see it. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Video switching is slow, and by slow I mean 5-7 seconds, with the audio running 3-5 seconds. This is exceptionally long since I had become accustomed to switching with my Panny, which is about the fastest switching TV in the industry- read 1 second. In the end, I think any receiver would struggle to process video/switch as well as my Panny. That said, "pass through" has been acceptable for everyday use.

On the power side (amplifier), I'm in a fairly small space- 15x15, running some big Klipsch gear. Forte II's, and kg 3.2s and 2.2s in a 7.0 configuration. Given the efficiency of the vintage Klipsch (100bd for the Fortes) I'm barely getting into the power to hit normal listening levels. I'm assuming that with the efficient speakers I require less current to achieve desired listen levels, so I'm not getting into the ugly portion of the receivers amplification (clipping.) Desired sound levels are achieved well before reaching 50% volume. Combine that with the Dynamic EQ, and loudness balancing, and at low volume levels, imaging and range remain intact- which is a must have if your significant other has a different opinion regarding acceptable sound levels. Heck they should have called it WIFE-EQ.

Regardless, I'm good with the 806. It works very well given my current space and speaker setup.






Faroudja DCDI Cinema at fault?
written by Mike P , March 25, 2009

Is this video processing issue unique to the Onkyos or does it occur in all Faroudja DCDI Cinema video processor based receivers? I am deciding between a Pioneer Elite SC-05, Integra DTR-7.9 and Integra DTR-8.9 and might base my decision on the video processors. Any thoughts?


Brian, are you sure?
written by Bob B. , March 27, 2009

I just ordered the SR806, so I don't have it setup yet. But I did download the manual. On this issue of pass-through, their recommendations are a bit complex. It's not enough to just select Pass Through. "For best video quality" THX also says you have to disable the "immediate display" option (whose default is otherwise "on") and do two other things too. Brian, are you sure you did all these steps, prior to finding a clipping of the below black? -- BB


806 causing judder..
written by Mike , April 24, 2009

So I recently got an 806 planning to run all components through it. I have my Moto HD DVR from comcast running HDMI through the 806, then HDMI to TV. I got somewhat extreme judder while watching Family Guy in HD cable. I have all settings set to "Through" or off including ID. When I run the HDMI directly to TV, I see no judder.

Is there a way to fix this?



806 discussing immdiste display off mode.
written by Rob , May 06, 2009

I just found this thread, seeming somewhat old, but, nevertheless pretty current. Also i just did the "imediate display off option" and currently watching 'It takes a theif' 1950 starring Cary Grant and Grace Kelly in HD thru Directv and it is near bluray quality!!! All of the burays I've tried are visually stunning as expected. My reasons for choosing this receiver was mainly video upscaling of older dvds, hd formats and thx, along with more power. I will mention more of my system below. Of course now I am using sammy 50" 1080p 1.3 HDMI, sammy 2550 bluray 1.3 and 806 1.3, with which may make a difference. Wonder if everyone above is talking about and using 1.3 HDMI in the discussion of upscaling video and sound quality. I think this would def make a difference since this is necessary for all of my components to accurately display the forementioned topic above for best video quality thru the 806 or any other receiver with those requirements. I am, of course, still tweaking and will for some time, until i find the right settings for me. The audyssey is simply awesome focusing every action right in your center stage, simply stunning, actually spoiling oneself!!!

My components....

Onkyo 806
Samsung 50" 1080 plazma
Samsung 2550 bluray with netflix and pandora
Directtv

Infinity speakers....7.1
PS-28 sub
PC-350 Center
P-162 Fronts (2)
P-152 Surrounds (4)



Forgot to mention!!
written by Rob , May 06, 2009

The netflix streaming on the bluray 2550 is pretty darn good. Most to hd quality. Don't know if it is the bluray player, the 806, or or HDMI 1.3 on all three devices. One can only imagine!!!


THD measurements are wrong?
written by jason chop. , August 02, 2009

Something seems suspicious about the measurements in this article, perhaps a typo? It says the THD measurements were:

?power --> 20Hz-20kHz THD+N = 0.00822% @8Ohm
130W --> THD+N = 0.01944% @8Ohm

These numbers seem impossible to believe - are they off by a factor of 10? The manual says 0.08% -> 0.2%. only the >=$2k amps have such low THD at full power, so im wondering if the article has typos on this.

...?!?!




Center Speaker
written by Bert , August 11, 2009

My center speaker is not loud enough on my 806. It is set at +12 but it adjust on its own, can I fix this. How?


"HDMI Pass Through" issue solved!
written by Kirk Schwarz , September 06, 2009

Purchased a HDMI splitter from Firefold for $64.95 after using the Spears & Munsil Blu ray test disk; the Onkyo was clipping BTB & WTW. The splitter can be purchased for less so shop around.
Anyway, effectively splits video from my Oppo BDP-83 and sends it to the TV, while audio goes to the Onkyo. Works perfect!
My only beef is with Onkyo. They wouldn't even admit there was a problem with the HDMI pass through. Got completely stonewalled by customer service & Tech support. No firmware ware updates or potential solutions because the problem doesn't exist and by the way they don't comment on product reviews! It's unbelievable that in this day and age companies can continue to treat consumers in this fashion. Maybe their the next GM?



806
written by Albin , October 25, 2009

I recently purchased a 806 of the onkyo range. Nice unit, however I have issues of getting my powered subwoofer to work correctly. The subwoofer has performed very well on my old Pioneer AV. Any idea what I am doing wrong?



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