| Integra DTR-7.8 A/V Receiver |
| Written by Ross Jones |
| Sunday, 06 April 2008 16:00 |
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Introduction When I first saw the press release for the Integra DTR 7.8 receiver, I thought that it had a major typo. THX Ultra2 certified, 130 watts x 7 amplification, HDMI 1.3a, Dolby TrueHD decoding, Audyssey MultEQ XT, three zone operation . . . at $1,300 list price? $2,300 sounded more in the ballpark, knowing Integra’s reputation for producing fine products at incredible prices. When I confirmed that Integra was indeed offering the DTR 7.8 at $1,300 MSRP, to say I was curious would be an understatement. Specifications
The Design I’d spent quality time with the DTR 7.8’s predecessors, the THX Select certified DTR 7.6 and 7.7 receivers. And while both were fine products, the DTR 7.8 does far more than make incremental tweaks. The staring point is THX Ultra2 certification. For those unfamiliar with the THX hierarchy, THX Select AVRs are intended for “small home theaters,” where the viewer is seated 10-12 feet from the display. By contrast, THX Ultra2 products are designed for “large” rooms, where the main viewing area is more than 12 feet away. Although most of the THX specs are closely guarded trade secrets, we know that that a THX Ultra2 receiver will have higher power ratings than Select-certified products. According to Integra’s specs, the DTR 7.8 is rated at 130 watts of continuous power across the entire spectrum (20Hz-20kHz) into two channels, with THD at 0.05% (FTC). And as our resident THX expert Brian Florian likes to point out, a THX-certified receiver means that both the amplifier and pre/pro sections meet THX specifications. So, the DTR 7.8 includes a pre/pro and amplifier that both are THX Ultra2 certified. Did I mention that it lists for $1,300? The DTR 7.8 uses top-of-the-line Burr-Brown 192k/24 Bit DACs for all seven channels (previous models used different DACs). New to the Integra line are Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio decoding for use with Blu-ray, courtesy of three HDMI v.1.3a inputs. Few of the new high-def DVD players actually send a raw bitstream; most convert to LPCM in the player. Similarly, the Integra is capable of supporting HDMI Deep Color video, although there are currently no compatible displays or software on the market that support Deep Color. So the Integra has a fair amount of future-proofing built into the design. The other benefit of HDMI v. 1.3a is that it will send a raw DSD bitstream to the receiver, allowing the Integra’s three high-quality Texas Instruments DSPs to decode SACD in the receiver if the DVD player is similarly equipped. My Oppo 980HD will send a raw digital bitstream for both DVD-A and SACD, allowing the digital-to-analog conversion to occur in the Integra. This is actually a big deal to me, since I am a fan of hi-rez music formats. Another nice touch is the layout of the speaker binding posts on the back panel. Most comparable receivers cluster the binding posts in several closely packed rows. The Integra’s binding posts are laid out in a single line, with ample spacing between the channels, which is especially helpful if connecting spade lugs or bare wire. Even better, the binding posts are organized in a manner usually found only on high-end separates, with the left channels on the left side of the panel, the right channels on the right side of the panel, and the center channel at the center of the panel. This layout seriously reduces the spaghetti wire tangles behind the unit, and makes dressing the cables much easier. The DTR 7.8 incorporates Audyssey’s MultEQ XT room correction software, which computes speaker distance, size, and sophisticated equalization in one package. The GUI appears different than I’ve seen on other Audyssey implementations. For example, once the equalization procedure is complete, the Integra does not display any graphical representation of the adjustments made by the software. While I understand that a simple slider view, showing EQ adjustments, oversimplifies the correction process, it serves several purposes. First, it provides a rough visual representation of what Audyssey is doing. More importantly, it provides a baseline for consumers who wish to tailor the Audyssey settings to fit their own preferences. As an example, some users enjoy the mid- to high-frequency adjustments made by Audyssey, but prefer to boost the LF somewhat. Without knowing what Audyssey did in the high-frequency bands, the user is unable to adjust the Audyssey’s parameters. However, you can still manually configure separate 15-band graphic equalizers (one each that controls the L/R, center, surround, and surround-back channels), plus a five-band graphic equalizer for the subwoofer channel. Or you can simply set EQ to Off.
Audyssey setup is basically idiot-proof, consisting of plugging in the supplied microphone, and following the instructions on the On-Screen Display. For the review, Audyssey detected all seven channels plus subwoofer, set crossovers, speaker distance, then equalization. Audyssey wasn’t perfect, as it incorrectly identified my rear surround channels as full-range, with a 50 Hz crossover point. I manually adjusted the crossover back to 80 Hz, but no other changes were necessary. Speaker distances and level calibrations were properly set in the Audyssey’s automatic program. Since my room has acoustic wall treatments, and subwoofers already run through a Velodyne SMS-1 equalizer, the Audyssey’s adjustments were more subtle than dramatic. The Integra supports a powered Zone 2 and unpowered Zone 3 for audio, but the HDMI output is not assignable to these zones. It also offers a Direct mode, which turns off the video processing and front panel lights, but does not bypass digital processing. Conversely, the analog multi-channel inputs do not go through an A/D/A conversion, so if you’re playing hi-rez music through the analog inputs, you won’t get any crossover or speaker distance adjustments through the receiver. I don’t consider that a big issue, since one of the major benefits of the DTR 7.8 is its ability to decode and play all hi-rez audio through its HDMI inputs. In fact, I suspect most (if not) all buyers will mate the Integra with a compatible source (Blu-ray) or a universal DVD player with HDMI v1.2 or higher, such as my Oppo 980HD. I found that the Integra had no problem identifying and locking onto audio signals, including the multi-channel PCM bitstream from DVD-Audio discs and DSD bitstream from SACD discs. There were occasional communication issues between the Integra and my Motorola/Comcast cable box through the HDMI connection. Fast-forwarding recorded material from the DVR would result in a 3-5 second lag before the audio signal kicked in, and certain recorded programs demonstrated a lip sync error. Strangely, the delay was in the audio signal, so I couldn’t use the Integra’s lip sync delay utility to fix the glitch. However, I didn’t have the issue when watching live TV, or when watching DVDs through my Oppo or Toshiba HD DVD player, so the issue appeared to originate in the cable box. Because the Integra was designed with custom installers in mind, it includes an Ethernet port for integration with Network-based control systems such as Crestron E-Control™ and AMX Device Discovery™. It also includes bi-directional RS-232, RIHD (Remote Interactive over HDMI) system control integration over HDMI, three programmable 12-volt triggers, dual IR inputs, and three unique assignable IR code sets. The DTR-7.8 also features compatibility with both XM and Sirius satellite radio, and onboard Neural THX processing for reception of multichannel XM HD surround programming. The Sound It’s no secret that SECRETS is impressed with the sound quality produced by Integra/Onkyo products. As we’ve said before, it’s mostly a matter of what DACs are used, and how they are implemented. The DTR 7.8 uses Burr-Brown’s top of the line 192kHz/24bit DACs in all channels, and as usual the Integra puts out neutral, uncolored music. So, I spent most of my time listening to hi-rez music through the Oppo’s HDMI connection, allowing the player to output a raw bitstream to the Integra and letting the DTR 7.8 do all the heavy lifting of decoding and processing the signal. The Beatles Love album (DVD-Audio) is a topic of vigorous debate among die-hard fans, due to its mash-ups of classic songs (as Giles Martin admitted in the liner notes, he felt like he was painting a moustache on the Mona Lisa). My 11 year-old daughter and I, both originalists, came down on the side of wishing the songs had been reproduced without the embellishments. Either way, this is the first hi-rez release of the Fab Four’s work, and hearing George Martin’s impeccable production spread over five channels with a fidelity never heard before is a beautiful thing. “I am the Walrus” is a mélange of keyboards, percussion, strings, vocals, and chanting (you can win a bar bet by asking what Beatles song contains the phrase “oompa, loompa, stick it up your jumper.”). The Integra’s ability to reproduce detail and imaging let me enjoy each piece of the composition. Switching to movies, I popped in Transformers (HD DVD). Describing the plot is beside the point; the film is a smorgasbord of eye-candy (special effects and Meaghan Fox) with an amazing soundtrack. Although it’s “only” a Dolby Digital+ mix, the audio quality is one of the best I’ve ever heard, with the DTR 7.8 rendering a huge soundstage filled with sweeping pans and flying ‘bots. As good as the Integra sounds by itself, folks with upgrade-itis will figure out that if they buy a separate multi-channel amplifier, and use the pre-outs of the DTR 7.8, presto! Where else are you going to find a $1,300 THX Ultra2 pre-pro (SSP)? Since I happened to have the Halcro MC 70 seven-channel amplifier sitting in the rack (review in progress), I hooked up the Integra to the Halcro’s unbalanced inputs (the Integra doesn’t have balanced XLR pre-outs) and ran the DTR 7.8 as a pre-pro. Wow! Pairing the Halcro with the Integra resulted in an entirely different level of detail and transparency. It was the classic “bringing out previously unknown details in a recordings” cliché come to life. I didn’t look at it as a knock against the Integra’s amp section; after all, one cannot really compare a mid-priced receiver’s amp against a $7,000 dedicated amplifier. To the contrary, it was a major compliment to the Integra’s pre-pro. The Halcro would have magnified any deficiencies in the pre-amp/processor; yet the sound quality from the Integra/Halcro combination was fantastic.
On the Bench At 1 kHz and 2 volts at the pre-out, THD+N was 0.007%. Clipping (1% THD+N) was reached at 5.65 volts output. At 1 kHz and 5 volts at the speaker output (two channels driven into 8 ohms), distortion was about the same, but the noise floor was quite a bit higher. Now, we present a new type of analysis. We asked SpectraPlus to develop a script that will let us calculate the ratio of odd-ordered harmonic distortion to even-ordered distortion. This takes the absolute number (THD+N in percent) one step further and tells us how much of it is odd-ordered (very irritating to the ears) and how much is even-ordered (pleasant to the ears). So, here is the analysis of the graph shown above for 1 kHz at the pre-out. It shows the amplitude, in dB, of all the harmonics through the 11th, and down at the bottom, the relative amounts of the odd vs. the even-ordered. In this case, the odd-ordered harmonics are 16.64 dB higher in amount than the even-ordered harmonics. Since these are the first analyses that we have performed, we can't say much about the result for now. But, as we test more receivers, SSPs, preamplfiers, and power amplifiers, there will be much more to talk about.
And, here is the harmonic analysis for the speaker output, 1 kHz, 5 volts. In this case, the odd-ordered harmonics are 13.62 dB higher. Keep in mind that one also has to take into account any absolute distortion value differences, but in this case, THD+N was about the same for the pre-out and the speaker output. So, what this particular comparison says is that the speaker output has a better ratio, as a lower value means less odd-ordered harmonics in relation to the even-ordered harmonics.
At 10 kHz and 2 volts, pre-out, THD+N was, again, about 0.007%. But at the speaker output, it had risen to 0.01%.
Frequency As to IMD, it was about the same at the pre-out as at the speaker output, i.e., 0.03%. THD+N vs. Frequency remained at acceptable levels from 10 Hz to 20 kHz, at the pre-out and at the speaker output for both 8 ohms and 4 ohms. At 4 ohms, distortion is a bit higher than at 8 ohms, which is to be expected. This is a new test script for the software (SpectraPlus) that we requested to be developed, and the results depend on the quality of the soundcard. The distortion curve here is approaching the limits of the card. Our Audio Precision test instrument is accurate to a much higher level, but we can't ship that around to the various writers. The measured frequency response was within 3 dB, 20 Hz - 20 kHz. Obviously, there is a built-in steep roll-off above 23 kHz. Conclusions The Integra DTR 7.8 seven-channel A/V receiver has cutting edge features such as HDMI 1.3a, and internal processing of the latest hi-resolution audio codecs. It offers THX Ultra2 certification at an amazingly low price, and most importantly, produces the clean, neutral sound that we’ve come to expect from Integra products. Integra has produced another winner here. Comments (19)
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written by ender21 , April 07, 2008 Good review! Though I wish there was a handy primer available for odd/even harmonics, harmonic distortion, etc., as I'm trying to learn as much as I can about that nowadays, and it's definitely *mostly* Greek to me at this point. FYI: Crossover determination happens via Onkyo/Integra, not Audyssey. Onkyo/Integra specified to Audyssey that any speaker whose -3dB point falls *below* 80Hz should be set to Full Range. Audyssey's policy is any speaker whose -3dB point falls below 40Hz would be better, but that decision is up to the manufacturer (Audyssey just reports the data to the 7.8, the rest is up to O/I), and 80Hz is what O/I chose, so that's why your surrounds were listed as Full Range by the 7.8.
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written by Elton Oliveira , April 07, 2008 Dear Sirs, Please, can you tell me the comparizon Integra 7.8 versus Onkyo 875? Best regards elton
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written by Tyler , April 07, 2008 I highly question the measurements generated by the Spectraplus program, which apparently uses the computer sound card. It appears to me that either the setup or the sound card is determining the measurement results, not the Integra. I highly doubt the frequency response of the Integra looks anything like that. Bad measurement results are worse than no measurement results!
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written by Stephen , April 08, 2008 It is essentially the same receiver as the 805 with a few tweaks around the edges such as more cross over frequencies. See the review here of the 805 for the video performance. It doesn't have the Reon video chip or 1080P scaling that the 875 has. Integra has no 875 equivalent the 8.8 matches the 905.
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written by Stephen , April 08, 2008 Also, it uses the PCM-1796 chips not the top of the line PCM-1792 (it is second in line).
Another "which onkyo" request
written by ws , April 08, 2008 Hi- Great new testing approach. I need a primer on the test, too. Also, which Onkyo does this receiver map to? Thanks,
Integra quality
written by Ovation , April 08, 2008 I have an Integra DTR 6.4 and it has served me well for nearly four years now. In fact, it has served me so well that I am very reluctant to "upgrade", despite all the fancy new features the current line offers. I plan to go with a Sony S550 or the Panny BD50 Blu-ray player later in the year because they decode all the codecs AND have analogue MCH outputs--so my 6.4 can soldier on. But I have to admit, after reading this review, I'm mighty tempted by the 7.8. Does it re-digitize the MCH signal at the input so bass management/time alignment can be applied to it like my 6.4? I've come to appreciate that feature quite a bit (though I wish level settings were also applicable--can't have everything, I guess ;) ).
Deep color
written by jcc , April 08, 2008 The Sony rear projection A3000 were promoted as having deep color capabilities.
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written by JEJ , April 08, 2008 Several products out there have deep color as part of their specs. There is no deep color programming yet though. However, that does not mean you shouldn't consider deep color specs when you buy a component, because deep color will eventually get here in the programming.
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written by JEJ , April 08, 2008 We don't use the stock computer sound card. We use a Lynx fully balanced (XLR) card that is flat out to 96 kHz analog (24 bit - 192 kHz sampling). The sharp dropoff in frequency response in the Integra is not uncommon. It is due to a digital filter and its purpose is to keep out of band noise from interfering with the audible band. As more and more receivers start using switching amplifiers, I suspect such sharp filters will be the norm.
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written by R. Jones , April 09, 2008 Ovation, the multi-channel inputs are not "re-digitized." Bass management and time-alignment are done through the HDMI port, which eliminates the additional A/D/A conversion.
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written by JEJ , April 09, 2008 WS said, 'Great new testing approach. I need a primer on the test, too.' I will be describing our bench testing procedure in the Newsletter, the first of which will be sent out mid-April. Sign up for the Newsletter to get the information. It will eventually be in the Primer.
not good for legacy players like mine
written by Ovation , April 09, 2008 Well I guess I'll wait a while longer to upgrade. ;) I understand the desire to avoid the A/D/A process but my hi-res audio player does not have HDMI output and while it has internal BM for both DVD-A and SACD, the x-over is too high for DVD-A for my liking (100hz) and for SACD, there is no time alignment (the xover for SACD is at 80hz, but it is at a gentler slope than the receiver). My player does NOT convert DSD to PCM (hence the lack of time alignment), though I seem to recall a paper presented at an engineering society conference some years ago claiming that the Sony chip used for BM on SACD actually did an internal conversion DSD>PCM>DSD. I have no way of testing for that, nor do I care. I do know that having time alignment and a steeper slope outweighs the potential sonic degradation of a DSD to PCM via A/D/A conversion in my set up. The transparency of the conversion, coupled with the better mastering job done on most SACDs (I suspect the extra care taken with the production of most SACDs accounts for more of the improved SQ they have over redbook than the format itself--but that's obviously a point of contention) means that my SACDs still sound better than regular CDs, even with the conversions (presumably, an all digital path would be even better). In any rate, I'm into DVD-A and SACD primarily for the MCH aspect, so I want my receiver to do BM/TA on the signal as it is more flexible than my player. Whew--a long-winded way to say that if I have to upgrade my player as well as my receiver to maintain the kind of flexible BM/TA I currently enjoy, then I will be upgrading later rather than sooner. But I'm quite confident that my next HT (whether separates or a receiver) A/V processor will be an Integra as I'm very happy with my current one.
Onkyo/Integra pairings
written by Tyler , April 09, 2008 Integra 9.8 - Onkyo PR-SC885 (Onkyo Pro) Integra 8.8- Onkyo 875 Integra 7.8- Onkyo 805 Integra 6.8- Onkyo 705 Integra 5.8- Onkyo 605 I have not noticed any of the problems that some have reported with the Onkyo 805 with my Integra 7.8- no heat issues or audio lag issues on mine. The Integra gets warm after a few hours of punishment, but not nearly as much as the 805 counterpart. I also like the additional little tweaks such as smaller increments in crossover frequencies (e.g. 50-55-60 versus 50-60 on Onkyo).
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written by Stephen , April 10, 2008 8.8 is the 905 not the 875, there is no Integra equivalent of that one
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written by JEJ , April 11, 2008 Regarding the measured frequency response, here is what Paul Wasek, Marketing Manager - Integra had to say: 'If you have an analog connection and are in Direct or Pure Audio mode then the roll off is in the 100kHz range. In these modes you are bypassing the DSP. If you have an analog connection and are in any other mode other that Direct or Pure Audio, by default you are going through the DSP and the roll off will be in the 20kHz range If you have a digital connection in any mode then by default you are going through the DSP and the roll off will be in the 20kHz range.'
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written by The Zolly Becker show , April 12, 2008 Firstly, The 7.8 is the 805 with the edition of an ethernet port. Secondly the 805, 875, 905, all use BurrBrown PCM1796 DAC's.
What about video tests?
written by Jim , April 13, 2008 Good review of the audio capabilities, but what about video? Some of us need to know before we buy whether a receiver has a true pass through for HD video over HDMI, or whether it manipulates the signal in some way. For example, it looks like some models will only pass standard levels (16-235) and hence are useless if you want to feed them full range (0-255). See http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb...?t=1010178
Integra 7.8 versus Marantz 8002?
written by JWB , July 09, 2008 How would you rate the Integra versus the Marantz 8002? The Marantz being newer on the market, but lacking upscaling of video... Marantz being focused on audio performance versus the quality bild of the integra... etc... Hope you can elaborate on differences and details. Kind regards, JWB Write comment
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