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Q&A # 73 - July 21, 1998

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Q Someone told me that I should spend 10% of my A/V budget on cables. I have about $10,000, so should I actually look for $1,000 cables for this system?

A If you go into a store and tell them you have $10,000 for you system, and that $1,000 of it is available for cables, I practically guarantee you that the checkout counter will be ringing up $10,000, including $1,000 worth of cables. It is always best to go into the store with some idea of where you want to start. Look around at the available components and begin by asking questions about the lower priced items. Work your way up from there. Lots of good cables are low priced. Kimber PBJ interconnects are very good, and very inexpensive. Nordost 2-Flat speaker cable is great for home theater, and it is just a couple bucks per foot. Tandy Gold Patch interconnects are good too, and are available just about everywhere. Set the $10,000 as your maximum, but don't force yourself to spend it all. You could actually end up with something that you like less than a lower priced system.

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Q What are the differences between THX certified speakers and audiophile type speakers? By differences I am talking about specifications, design, and in general how they sound. What recommendations do you have for systems designed for both music and theater?

A THX certification means that the component, whether it is a processor, amplifier, speaker, or whatever, has been tested by an independent company (THX) to see that it meets certain specifications. These specs include noise levels, maximum output levels, headroom, and many others. It's a seal of approval, rather than just a cool logo. In general, THX products are designed for playing loud, but clean. For speakers, sometimes this will result in the speakers sounding better when played loud than when played softly, due to tightness of the drivers. If you like action movies, then get either small THX speakers, or large speakers that are not THX certified. This way, the small speakers will give you the volume you like, but the large ones will too, even though they are not THX. I have a set of small THX speakers in our Seattle office, and large non-THX speakers in our Redwood City office. If I had to choose between the two for one system, I would prefer large speakers, whether they are THX or not. I like having all channels capable of achieving low frequencies (about 30 Hz), now that DD is routine. THX-Certified speakers have limited vertical dispersion, while maintaining a good lateral dispersion, since they are designed for reaching a larger audience that might be spread out in the listening room. As a result, they sound a little different than non-THX speakers, so you should listen to them before buying. You may or may not like the different dispersion pattern.

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Q For the last couple weeks I have been demoing a Martin-Logan system for my home. This system consists of reQuests for the front, Cinema center, and SL3 surrounds. The system has excellent reproduction in the mids and highs, but it lacks in the low end. To remedy this I demoed the Paradigm Servo-15, Velodyne FSR-15, B&W ASW3000, and the Rel Q100E subs. The Paradigm lacked the "kick" needed for rock music, the Velodyne was bland in the 20 Hz - 50 Hz range, the B&W had a nice low end but sounded a bit one note-ish down there, and the Q100E lacked kick like the Paradigm. When the subs were run with the low pass set to 90 Hz, at a certain frequency they started getting boomy no matter what listening room they were in. This disheartned me and I moved on to a Linn AV-51 system (four AV-5140s and one AV-5120 center) because of their excellent bass response. However the Linns weren't as well defined in the mid-range as the Martin-Logan system. So now I'm back to the Martin-Logans. What do you recommend I do about the subwoofer issue? Should I run them with a low pass set to 50 Hz and below because that is where they all sounded precise and not boomy? What crossover frequency would you suggest for accurate bass reproduction in the ML system? Any brand/model recommendations?

Secondly, I have a Yamaha DSP-A1 that I bought a couple months back. Would the DSP-A1 be able to power the ML system above? I have seen the DSP-A1 power a system with SL3 fronts, Cinema center, and Stylos rears. If I need to get a power amp, what would be a good/powerful/precise amp to power the system I mentioned above? At a minimum, I'd want to power the reQuests with an outboard power amp, if necessary that is. Remember, the reQuests can drop to 1 ohm at 20 kHz.

My eventual goal is have a professionally designed listening room in a new home I may get built. Because of this, I don't want to buy anything I'm
going to throw away. In other words, I want quality stuff.

A Martin Logan electrostatics are fine speakers, but like all electrostatics, they are power hungry. First, I would suggest getting the same model of MLs in the front and the back. This will give you a better matched tonality with digital surround formats. Secondly, most subwoofers sound boomy up near 90 Hz, because they don't use damping material in the enclosure. Set the low pass to 50 Hz - 60 Hz and that will pretty much eliminate the problem. Lastly, the DSP-A1 is a wonderful product, but it won't handle the needs of the Martin Logans. I would suggest outboard amplifiers with at least 200 watts per channel and capable of dealing with low impedance loads. The Sunfire Cinema Grand or CinePro both would do the job nicely.

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Q In the review of Yamaha's DSP-A1, new writer Scott Evans says "...the more samples per second, the closer you can get to recreating the exact input waveform." In general, this is true, but the Law of Diminishing Returns rears its ugly head -- since humans can only hear frequencies up to about 22 kHz, a sampling rate of 44 kHz is theoretically all you need to recreate the input waveform exactly, 44 kHz being what is known as the Nyquist rate. It is hardly coincidental, then, that CDs sample at 44 kHz.

The operative word, though, is theoretically. A waveform that contains frequency information throughout the audible spectrum (that is, from
20 Hz - 22 kHz), when sampled at 44 kHz, will need a D/A converter that is incredibly accurate, or risk additional information which was not present in the original waveform. This is part of the reason why you mentioned in a show report that an inexpensive DVD transport/DAC at 24/96 kHz sounded as good as their astronomically priced CD player equivalents at 16/44kHz -- while the expensive D/As may be extraordinarily accurate, they carry a matching price tag, but a cheap D/A at 96kHz can afford to be less accurate and still not change the input waveform.

The point is that, say, 196 kHz would be overkill. D/As would have to be just as accurate as they are at 96 kHz. This makes Mr. Evan's statement
untrue except in a very small frame of reference.

All this aside, though, thank you for the excellent review on the DSP-A1. I have been waiting for some time to see your well-considered opinions on this piece.

A Scott Evans responds:

The Nyquist theorem was not developed for digital applications (contrary to what many people think). Nyquist's theorem deals with
bandlimited signals, modulation, stability, Fourier transforms, s-domain, etc. The theorem is used in everything from modulation concepts to analog control system design.

One of the basic principles that I think you are getting at, is that the Nyquist theorem as applied to digital audio, requires a perfectly bandlimited system. In theory, audio can be lowpassed to say 22 kHz, the upper limits of human hearing, but in reality it is almost impossible to achieve
this. Noise and other information that leaks into the signal (even at frequencies outside the target band) will get aliased back into the target
band, resulting in distortion and other nasties. When we try and create these ideal filters we normally "mess up" the analog signal in the process
(phase errors are a big problem with passive filters).

I did a net search to find some supporting docs and found http://www.amtechdisc.com/file/amtech/CDPAPER.HTML which does an excellent
job of explaining the basics.

 

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Q On DVDs, is 2 channel stereo downmixed from the 5.1 as it is played, or is there a separate 2 channel PCM track for stereo playback?

A It depends on the disc. Most of the Columbia Tristar titles have audio 1 using a 2 channel PCM track and audio 2 using the 5.1 track. So if you are using the analog outputs and choose audio 1, you get real 2 channel PCM, and if you choose audio 2 you get the 5.1 downmixed to 2 channel. Other DVDs do not include a true 2 channel PCM, so they are always downmixing. In general, the discs have a DD track that delivers the 2 channel stereo for use with Pro Logic receivers. Video Essentials does not have 2 channel PCM.
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Q I have a question concerning hooking up a subwoofer with full range speakers and an audio/video processor. I have an M&K MX-5000THX MkII sub and a pair of PSB Stratus Gold-i speakers and a B&K AVP-3090 processor. I was using a pair of M&K main speakers but decided to go to a more musical non-THX system.

I have the sub hooked up to the sub output of the 3090 which sends all frequencies below 80 Hz to the sub. I have the front speakers set to the large setting which sends all frequencies to the front speakers and the system was calibrated using a sound pressure meter. The bass response looks like this in the stereo mode with a Stereophile test CD and a Radio Shack sound pressure meter:

Frequency Golds with Subwoofer Golds without Subwoofer
200 Hz 77 dB 77 dB
160 Hz 77 dB 77 dB
125 Hz 80 dB 80 dB
100 Hz 80 dB 78 dB
80 Hz 79 dB 76 dB
63 Hz 84 dB 82 dB
50 Hz 74 dB 71 dB
40 Hz 77 dB 67 dB
31.5 Hz 88 dB 79 dB
25 Hz 82 dB 71 dB
20 Hz 77 dB 60 dB

I thought if I hooked up the sub in this way I would have a much broader peak in the mid to lower bass region but I think this response looks OK or am I interpreting the results wrong? The bass still seems a little loud on certain recordings using the B&K X-over, but if I use the M&K X-over I will be using two X-overs in series and this is a bad idea, right? Also, the M&K sub does not provide for a speaker line in/out hook up. Besides isn't bass response very dependent on the room? It seems like there is a peak at 63 Hz of +7 dB and at 31.5 Hz of +11 dB as compared to the 77 dB baseline set at 200 and 160 Hz. Could this be a function of the room? I don't think that using an X-Over set at a lower frequency than 80 Hz would help eliminate the peak at 31.5 Hz. Is it a coincidence that the peaks are multiples of each other 63 vs. 31.5? Could this be a resonance frequency of the room? Actually, I think this bass response is OK and I should leave the X-Overs set the way they are. I just might need to turn the sub volume down as the Golds break in. What do you think? Does this look like a good bass response or should I try to hook up the sub a different way, i.e., via a second set of pre-outs from the 3090 which send a full range signal to the sub and use the sub crossover? I don't want to buy extra cables if they are not needed and in order to hook up the sub this way I would have to purchase another set of 3 meter interconnects.

A The peaks at 31.5 Hz and 63 Hz are indeed, room effects. Changing your crossover won't modify this. If the peaks really bother you, put a line-level equalizer, such as Audio Control makes, between the subwoofer output on your 3090 and the line-level input on your subwoofer. You can use the 31.5 Hz and 63 Hz sliders to reduce the peaks at these frequencies. Employing the crossover of the processor as well as the crossover of the subwoofer is not the best idea, but it is unavoidable in most situations. Using the pre-outs for the mains to go to the subwoofer will work, as long as you have the bass from the center and rear sent to the mains, which is an option on modern processors. Whether this change results in audible differences is hard to say. Distortion in bass is harder to detect than in midrange and high frequencies.

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Q With the new HDTVs, what will the scanning rates be for the two principal formats?

A 1080i scans at 32 Khz, and 720p scans at 45 kHz.

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Q Does it take time for preamps and power amps to "break-in" and if so how long does it take and why?

A Most components do take time to break-in. No one is really sure why, but it probably has to do with the chemical structure of the silicon/doping material of transistors and dielectrics of capacitors changing as they are subjected to electrical current. When they settle down, the component is broken-in. The time varies from several hours to several hundred hours. The unbroken-in sound is usually one of harshness. Speakers need to be broken-in too, and the unbroken-in sound is usually a weak bass (woofer is tight) and a harsh treble.


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