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Q&A # 68 - June 16, 1998

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Q Lets say you have a receiver with independant bass and treble controls each with a center detent position (like say the Yamaha RX-V2092). (1) Can we assume that the center detent position is "neutral"? (2) Would the effect of moving the bass control one mark to the right (increase) and moving the treble control one mark to the left (decrease) be the same as moving the bass control two marks to the right while leaving the treble control at neutral? (3) I guess what I'm trying to determine is whether or not these controls are "linear" in their effect on tonality, or more "logarithmic" (in some sense). (4) Or perhaps, to be even more basic, what exactly do tone controls do? (5) And while were at it, how is "Cinema EQ" (which the 2092 lacks) different from just turning down the treble control a notch or two?

A (1) The tone control center position should be neutral ideally, but some are not. (2) Not quite in most cases. It could be, if the tone controls were designed with that in mind, but it's rarely the case since if it were, a single tone control could do the same thing, as you suggested. The bass and treble control are simply a two band EQ. An equalizer can boost or cut a portion of the spectrum, with maximum effect at the center frequency. I don't know specifically about the 2092, but Yamahas typically use 10 kHz or 20 kHz as the top end band, and 50 Hz for the lower band center, with wide humps that have virtually no effect at 1 kHz and the immediate area so to not affect the mid-range. If you turned both the treble and bass all the way up, since it doesn't boost the midrange, the equalization curve would look like a rolling valley. Likewise, if you turned them both down, it'd resemble a rolling hill, with the bottom of the valley or the top of the hill at 1 kHz. Yamaha Tone ControlsHere is an example of measurement on the Yamaha DSP-A1 receiver's tone controls (the unit we currently have for review) and their effect on frequency response. Notice that 1 kHz serves as a pivot (where there is no effect of the tone controls), and the effect of the tone controls increases as one moves away from that point. The effect of the bass extension control is also shown, and it results in a bump at 60 Hz, with declining bass (reduced bass compared to bass extension control being off) below 40 Hz. This allows the subwoofer to really crank in the area where motion pictures have a lot of bass, but not use much amplifier power in the below 40 Hz region. In contrast, a well-done graphic equalizer (like a 1/3 octave, constant Q jobbie) is intended to affect the entire audible range, so that boosting all of the sliders an equal amount will yield a flat response that's simply larger. (3) They are logarithmic, although the perceived effect is pretty even, as our hearing is also logarithmic. Tone controls usually have a cut or boost range of 10 dB or so at the maximum spot on the hump or valley, which equates to a ten fold change in amplifier power at those frequencies, and a doubling of perceived loudness. (4) They're equalizers. Specifically, they're filters that create a transfer function whose output in amplitude and phase will depend on frequency. (5) Cinema EQ is an equalization curve that affects all channels, and it is designed to modify Pro Logic, DD, or DTS from what they would be with straight processing. Yamaha's Cinema DSP is a form of Cinema EQ. "Pro Logic Enhanced" is another form of Cinema EQ found on many receivers. Regular DSP modes are for use with two channel stereo rather than with Pro Logic, DD, or DTS. They turn the two channels into a larger sound stage, putting some of the original two channel sound in the other three of the five channels, with such sound fields as "Jazz Club". The bass and treble controls on most receivers only affect the left and right channels. On the Yamaha DSP-A1, they affect the left/center/right.


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Q Are there any CDs in the 5.1 format (DD)? My receiver is Dolby Digital, and my CD player must be compatible with such CDs since it has coaxial and Toslink digital outputs. Thanks for your help. Your question and answer section is the greatest!!!!!!!!!!

A There are several DVDs with 5.1 DD music, such as the new Delos "DVD Music Breakthrough", but no CDs as such. DTS music CDs are available, but most of the future ones will be on DVD (called Digital Audio Discs or DADs). There is actually plenty of space for DD and DTS music on CDs, but the powers that be have decided to focus on DVD for everything. Of course, DVD is really just a CD with two layers and a narrower track. Now that Meridian has announced a new lossless format that will reduce the space required for music storage, CDs with 96 kHz - 24 bit samples are feasible, although the first ones will be on DVD.

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Q I am fairly inexperienced with audio electronics, and I have a question that you may be able to answer. My amplifier is actually a common
receiver-- $600 Onkyo TX-SV646 with 5.1 channels (Dolby Digital AC-3 ready). In Stereo mode (main speakers only), it produces 90 w/ch into 8 Ohms with 0.08% Total Harmonic Distortion, or 105 w/ch into 6 Ohms with 0.1% THD. In surround mode at 8 Ohms, it produces 80 w/ch x 3 for the front and center channels, and 30 w/ch x 2 for the rear speakers. In surround mode at 6 Ohms, it produces 90 w/ch x 3 for the front and center channels, and 35 w/ch x 2 for the rear speakers. In the manual, it says specifically that "when only one pair of speakers is connected, the
impedance of the speakers used must be between 6 and 16 Ohms." Currently, I have only two speakers, Cerwin-Vega E-312s, which are designed to handle 150 watts rms/ 300 watts max. They are said to be "compatible with receivers rated 8 Ohms or less." I don't know if it matters, but the sensitivity of these speakers is 98 dB (1watt / 1meter). The problem is that I feel badly because I am not able to push my speakers to their full potential. Also, when I get rear-channel speakers, the output to my main speakers will drop even lower. I have heard that by lowering the resistance in my amp, the speakers will play louder. Unfortunately, I have no idea how to lower the resistance. I don't even know how to switch from the 8 Ohms I am using now down to the 6 Ohms that they specify in the manual. What I really want to do is switch down to about 2 Ohms, to get even more out of my speakers. I am worried, though, because they don't mention anything lower than 6 Ohms in the manual. Are they telling me that I can't switch any lower than 6 Ohms? What I really need to know is: Is there any way that I can get more power out of the amp I am currently using?

A The resistance you are referring to is the impedance of the speakers. The only thing relevant to the amplifier is whether or not it can deliver the current to a load of that specific impedance when you turn up the volume and the voltage is correspondingly increased. This has to do with the power supply, and receivers almost never have sufficient power supplies for 4 Ohms at high volume. At very low volume, you could use just about any receiver with a 2 Ohm speaker, but we don't tend to use our receivers at a whisper. You can lower the impedance that the amplifier "sees" by putting two speakers in parallel. That is done by connecting the + of each speaker together, and the - of each speaker together as well. This reduces the impedance by half, if you used two speakers of equal impedance in parallel. Unfortunately, receivers don't handle this very well because of modest power supplies that they have. Your receiver is rated into 6 Ohms, but it would be best to stick with 8 Ohms. Actually, you have very good speakers for receivers, because their sensitivity is so high. If you like loud volume, get some matching speakers for the rear. Even 35 watts will do pretty well with such high sensitivity speakers. They are equivalent to 140 watt amplifiers used with 92 dB/w/m speakers.

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Q I have a question regarding the massive tangle of cords, wires and interconnects behind my equipment. When bundling things together for a neater appearance, is there anything I should be aware of beforehand, such as interference between different kinds of cables, etc? Do I bundle power cables with power cables, speaker wires with speaker wires or is there some other guideline to go by?

A Putting a wire carrying a current close to another wire is the way transformers work, through the process of induction. As the magnetic field from the current in one wire expands and collapses with the AC signal, a corresponding current is induced in the nearby wire. So, you can see it is not a very good idea to place wires carrying various signals close to one another, and certainly not in parallel. I know the kind of mess you are referring to. Everyone who has home theater components has experience with it. It is an ugly jungle. But, because of induction, I lay all my wiring across one another rather than in parallel, when the wires have to be near each other at all. If I have extra length of wires, including speaker cables, I make sure they are not coiled, as this increases the induction phenomenon. There are bundling devices that are commercially available if you simply cannot stand the tangle. However, do not bundle the power cords, only the interconnects.

 

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Q I will be upgrading from a DPL receiver to separates soon. Should I consider several individual power amplifiers and place them as close to the speakers as possible or a five channel amp on the equipment rack? Short speaker cables or short interconnects, which is preferable and why?

A The question of short interconnects or speaker cables is more applicable to tube equipment because of their higher output impedance in relation to the impedance of the load (speaker), compared to the output impedance of a solid state power amplifier. When the output impedance of a tube amplifier is high, say 3 Ohms, and the speaker impedance is 8 Ohms, the cable is more likely to be perceived as part of the load, because it too has an impedance (DC resistance, capacitance, and inductance). The best situation is when the output impedance is low and the input impedance is high, and the cable has very low impedance. Tube amplifiers love 16 Ohm speakers. We don't generally choose our components based on impedance though. The cable is less of a problem with solid state amplifiers because they usually have low output impedances, such as 0.01 Ohm. This is one of the reasons why there is controversy over whether high performance audio cables give better sound. Depending on the output impedance of one component, the input impedance of whatever that component is driving, and the impedance characteristics of the cable involved, the cable could sound worse with one system, better with another, or no difference at all. The impedance characteristics of high performance cables vary widely, so the effects of different cables also vary widely.

These days you will probably get equal quality results, using solid state amplifiers, with the amplifier close to the speakers and short speaker cables, or the amplifier close to the preamplifier, and short interconnects. The only caveat with long interconnects is that you have to consider the problem of hum. It will likely be audible if the interconnects go across the room, say 12 feet, to the power amplifier, and you will need to spend some time moving the cable around until the hum is at its lowest. With home theater, I use multi-channel amplifiers because it's convenient. For two channel audio, I use fully balanced monoblock power amplifiers and long interconnects. Balanced inputs and outputs on amplifiers that are not balanced inside work sometimes but not always, because the balanced input or output circuits are additional signal paths to the unbalanced internal amplifier circuit. Occasionally, I have found unbalanced amplifiers with balanced inputs that have more noise when using the balanced inputs than when using the unbalanced RCA input jacks. To get the lowest noise, the amplifier or preamplifier should be balanced from input to output. In fact, even with 30 foot interconnects, you can have a setup that has dead silence when no CD is playing, as long as the components are fully balanced.

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Q Just when I thought I understood the different types of Dolby Digital soundtracks on DVD, I find that I don't. I have recently come upon a few DVDs that say they have a Dolby Surround soundtrack. My preamp/processor says that the soundtrack is Dolby Digital Pro Logic and gives an indication of 3/1. The 3/1 is supposed to mean that there are 3 front channels, one rear channel, and no LFE channel. My DVD player, however, says that the soundtrack is AC-3 2 channel. Other DVDs that are listed as Dolby Digital stereo are indicated by my pre/pro as 2.0 and if I want Pro Logic, I have to use the analog outputs of the DVD player and manually select DPL in the pre/pro. For DD 5.1 soundtracks there's no problem, as the DD decoder in the pre/pro is activated and gives the indication 3/2.1. I'm very confused about the Dolby Digital Pro Logic case. What's going on?

A Pro Logic and Dolby Digital (DD or AC-3) are two different things. Pro Logic extracts four channels (front left/center/right and rear) from two stereo channels and is an analog process. Dolby Digital has six discrete channels (front left/center/right, rear left/right, and Low Frequency Effects - LFE). DD is called 5.1 because five of the channels are full range and one channel (LFE) is only low frequencies up to 120 Hz. DD is a digital process (so is DTS). Sometimes when playing a DVD, it will default to the 2/0 tracks, which means two channel stereo. You have to manually go to the menu and select Dolby Digital, which then reads 3/2 or 3./2.1. Older movies with just a mono or two channel stereo track will also be in DD on a DVD, but when Dolby Digital is selected, you will only get sound from the center channel speaker or front left/right speakers. In other words, not all 5.1 channels have to contain information in order for it to be DD. Any or all of the channels can be active.

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Q I have a subwoofer that is Cerwin Vega and am using it with Infintity speakers. The speakers are hooked into the back of the subwoofer and that is, in turn, hooked into the left and right channels on the receiver. Am I right in assuming that this is called a "passive subwoofer?" My guess is that the ensemble sets get hooked up this way, like Cambridge Soundworks, and a KLH set I saw, and Bose. They all come with two speakers and a little black box which they called a subwoofer.

Also, I have been hearing and reading pros and cons on DVD players with the AC-3 built in. Some magazines have said stay away from them because of the bass, but I recently read a review of the Panasonic 310, and they applauded the built in decoder and said that Panasonic got it right. Sony also has a model with it built in, but I think it is still a first generation player.

A The subwoofer is passive only if it does not contain a built-in amplifier. Powered subwoofers can be connected the same way as you describe, but the power from the receiver's amplifiers is filtered so as not to have any low frequency information after it passes through the crossover of the subwoofer. With a passive sub, the receiver's power amplifier goes to the subwoofer where it passes through a crossover network, and the low frequency info, powered by the receiver, goes to the subwoofer driver, and the mid and high frequency info, also powered by the receiver, goes to the main speakers. Think of it as a three-way speaker with the woofer in a separate enclosure from the other drivers.

Newer DVD players with DD decoding built-in, such as the Yamaha DVD-700, have all six channel outputs, including the bass, but I would still go with DD decoding in the receiver, because the receiver's DSP is only activated when the receiver decodes the DD. When the 5.1 inputs of the receiver are used, such as is the case with external decoders, DSP modes are not active.

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Q In your Q&A #66, you mentioned about newer DVD players to be due at the end of the year with progressive video output to be connected to DTV. Will the progressive data output in digital form? If yes will this violate the pact the DVD forum signed with the studios ? Am I right that they are susposed to keep the video digital bits un-accessable from the players for copyright reasons? But if it has to be reconverted from analog inside the DTV it will be meaningless, right? One more question about progressive output: do you think that any of today's datagrade projectors with RGB inputs can accept the DVD progressive scan signals? (Too early to tell?) But all these developments are really exciting.

A Indeed it was presumptuous for me to assume Hollywood had worked out their copyright issues. The Toshiba, and other first releases of progressive scan DVD players, will have analog outputs only, and the DTV will convert the signal back to digital. So, yes, the digital aspects of this feature will be academic, for the time being. However, the progressive scan image will still be better than interlaced NTSC. Since the DVD output signal is analog and line-doubled, current datagrade projectors (projectors with capability for high scan rates) can be used with the DVD progressive scan outputs. The question still remains as to the connectors, and we will let you know as this develops.


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