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Q&A # 300 - August 2, 2002

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Q I enjoyed reading Sandy's HTPC article, but am not sure WHY? I understand what a good ATI or nVidia card can do, the scalers, etc. Has anyone SHOWN what an HTPC can do vs. a good Panasonic (RP82 or 91) player? Sandy mentions pros and cons, then lists under pros the fact that it costs <$1000 to build - agreed but very good prog scan DVD players are far, far cheaper. If it's so good, someone surely can capture the difference in still digital images for everyone to see. I must be missing something - if so, please explain.

A The advantages of an HTPC are that you will be able to customize the output according to your needs, including a scaler PC card to scale the image to your exact projector resolution. Also, you will be able to upgrade the various software programs as they are improved, eliminating artifacts as they are discovered and fixed in the programs.

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Q I had some interesting/disturbing results from doing 20 Hz - 150 Hz frequency sweeps. My subwoofer and center speaker responded as I expected. The center speaker rolled off very smoothly from 100Hz down. I can't say the same for the rear surrounds and front towers which all responded with peaks and dips and more peaks. The towers sit on a hardwood floor. What's the best way to isolate them from the floor without using spikes digging into the wood? The rear surrounds are mounted near the ceiling and ~6" or so from corners. Is there some material I can use to kill the <100 Hz frequencies? Due to WAF, my only other option is to put the surrounds on the floor under tables.

A General wall treatments work well for mid and high frequencies, but not for the bass. You might try some bass traps, such as those sold by ASC (http://www.tubetrap.com/), Auralex (http://www.auralex.com/main.html), or you can make them yourself (http://ic.net/~jtgale/diy2.htm). To isolate your speakers from a hardwood floor without having to use spikes, get some felt furniture pads at a hardware store. I get the ones that are about 2" x 2" and double them up before putting them under each corner of the speaker.

The bass problems you are having are most likely more a function of room dimensions and such. While bass traps are probably a valid way to address the problem given enough money and time (most likely a lot) spent tuning the trap to respective frequencies and optimizing location, the most direct, and probably best scenario, is to kill frequencies below 100 Hz at the source, through bass management. You state that your subwoofer is responding as expected. If that means desired, then you are guaranteed good results simply by re-routing the bass to the subwoofer. Bass traps may or may not work, and if they do work, it may be a lot of time and expense to make that the case, so I thought the easy, cost-free alternative should be mentioned. If the crossover frequency range won't allow you to completely eliminate the problems, it at least narrows the problematic range, which becomes much easier to deal with.

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Q I need a DVD player in the $200 range, with no chroma bug. Any recommendations?

A The new Panasonic RP-82 can be had on the Internet for that kind of price. It is chroma bug free.

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Q Just thought I'd give some help to one of your readers regarding the last question from the 7/14 issue.

I've built several subwoofers, and have heard just about every sound they're not supposed to make. I don't know what the flapping is, but here are some suggestions:

If the sound is a "ch ch ch ch ch" sound at a higher frequency than normally comes from the sub, there is a leak somewhere in the box. If this is the case, you can feel the air escaping with your hand. A commons source is a bad seal around the driver or the amp, or a tear in the driver's surround (probably poor workmanship, i.e., return it for another). But it could also be coming out of the gaps around the amp's switches and knobs. This would be a design defect.

If the sound is more of a "whoo whoo whoo" (like blowing over the top of a bottle), it's probably port chuffing, a design deficiency, i.e., return it for a different model. You can hear this by listening  near the port.

If it's a "click click click" or "pop pop pop", the driver is smacking its excursion limits - you need a bigger sub. A 10" sub needs >10mm of one-way excursion to reproduce satisfying levels. This is rare in an inexpensive sub.

Another source of "flapping" could be a wayward wire getting smacked by the cone. A look inside will tell you, but if the sub is under warranty, trade it for another.

If the sub is ported, maybe something has gotten in through the port and is bouncing around. This is generally pretty obvious, though.

I've never heard a sound like this go away after break-in. NHT knows their subs, so I'd suspect a workmanship problem.

A Thanks for the info. If you can record these sounds when you come across them again, send us the wav files, and we will post them.

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Q I recently purchased a Denon 2802 receiver. I am very pleased with it, except for one issue. For the life of me, I can't figure out how to connect my graphic equalizer to the receiver. It does not have the typical Tape/Monitor connections. Can it be done?

A If the receiver has a main pre-out and a main-in, which usually has a U hook connecting the two, pull the hook out, and put your equalizer between the pre-out and the main-in.

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Q There was some confusion on the forums about your statement on Sony and Philips DVD players with or without the chroma bug. Can you clarify?

A We have not tested the specific players that the reader had asked about, but we have just not yet seen any players from those two manufacturers without the bug. I added a sentence on that to Q&A 299. Philips announced a fix specifically for the Q50, but we want to see some of the new Philips players.

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Q I have a Panasonic PT-61HX41 TV and a Panasonic DVD-RP56 DVD player. I have read articles on how some HD-Ready PTVs lock into full mode when receiving 480p signals and makes it difficult to view DVDs in Pan & Scan or non-anamorphic aspect ratios. So, I'm just writing to find out if my TV locks into full mode. If it does, what DVD player do you recommend?

A If you have both the RP56 and the TV, it is easy enough to find out. Just try and change the aspect ratio on your TV while feeding it the 480p from your DVD player. The TV is the problem, not the player.

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Q I am about to update my surround system to Digital Dolby, etc. from Dolby Pro Logic. I also will use the system for music. My room is roughly 16x19x8 and I am considering the Anthem AVM-20 and PVA 7 with Magnepan 1.6 front, MG 12 surrounds, and MGCC2 center and a REL Q201 sub.

I am unable to decide if dipole speakers for the surround channels would be preferable. I have read then since the full spectrum of audio is represented in the surround channels with Dolby Digital that standard speakers my be preferable, while others continue to advocate dipoles.

A Movie theaters, going back to the first surround sound systems used on 70mm film in the 50s and 60s, have never employed a pair of speakers in the back corners of the room for surround sound. They used, and continue to use, multiple speakers in an array (or more recently multiple arrays). The "surrounds" therefore are fundamentally different from the front in terms of both their use and execution from the "screen" channels in a motion picture soundtrack system.

Dipole speakers as surrounds are intended to parallel the surround speaker arrays of the cinema in a home environment as much as possible. In the beginning, THX actually considered mandating multiple smalls speakers for the surround channel(s) but realized almost no consumer would be willing to go that far, and those that were willing would run a high risk of getting it wrong. Dipoles were the obvious compromise.  A workable answer.  They are not without drawbacks.  When placed correctly, by nature their sound is comprised of many reflections arriving at different times with varying timber.  Time alignment becomes a joke with them.  Localization of the sound is almost not possible making them mostly successful if you assume that's what the sound artist wanted. 

Cinemas have not changed. In this day of Dolby Digital, Surround EX, DTS, and SDDS, cinemas are STILL using speaker arrays for surround sound and the reasons to chose dipoles therefore has not changed.  If you bought into the dipole thing during the Pro Logic days, you should still be buying into it now.  True dipoles by nature do not have deep bass (some designs do, but that's another topic). But to say with full bandwidth in the surrounds of these new formats dipoles are out the window is not correct. Back to the theater again, the surround speaker arrays are not terrific bass transducers themselves. Soundtrack artists know this, and if they are doing their job, they will refrain from putting deep bass effects exclusively there. Some (many?) soundtracks do have deep bass in the surround though and yet still this is not a reason to throw dipoles out. We should be using the bass management of our surround sound system!!! I cannot think of a surround sound speaker, of any design, for which the full signal is appropriate. Subwoofers are not just for the LFE channel: they are for DEEP BASS in general.


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