| Squeezebox Duet Wireless Music Streamer |
| Written by John E. Johnson, Jr. | ||||||
| Sunday, 11 January 2009 17:00 | ||||||
We have all noticed the proliferation of media servers on the market over the past several years. The problem is, they are quite expensive, usually in the thousands of dollars, and some in the tens of thousands. Face it. You know you want one. We all would l like to be able to play our music collection in any room where we have a hifi system. But, going into the main listening room and digging through the collection of CDs to find the ones you want is a chore. Some of them are probably in your car as well. Specifications
Well, finally, there are some products that will let you play your music in any of those rooms you want, by ripping your CDs to a music directory on your PC and using a wireless "Music Streamer" in the room where you want to listen to them. Your PC acts as the media server, since media servers are basically computers themselves. So, you save a lot of money by just using your office PC. You must have a wireless network of course, so that the music receiver (streamer) in another room can access the music on your PC. You can connect your network to the receiver with long Ethernet cables if you like, but wireless is really the way to go. There are several music streamers on the market, including Squeezebox, which has several models. Their newest entry is the Squeezebox Duet, which is the subject of this review.
The Design The Duet consists of a receiver, which is about the size of a book (seen in the photo above), and a hand-held controller, i.e., a handset. In their earlier model, there was only one piece of hardware (the receiver) and it had an LED readout panel to access menus, including your list of albums. With the Duet, all information is displayed on the handset, shown below. The handset has an LCD panel at the top, and the controls are at the bottom. You move your thumb around the wheel, just like an iPod, to move up and down in the LCD menus. The small house-shaped icon at the bottom right corner of the wheel is used to turn on the handset. You can also adjust the volume, pause the music, and move forward or backward in the list of music tracks, as you would with a CD player. The small arrows next to the wheel let you move forward or backward in the various menus. The latest handset version has a 1/8" stereo jack on the top that you can plug in a set of earphones and set the menu option to play the music from the receiver to the handset. In this case, obviously, you would not need to turn on your hifi system. Only the receiver and handset would need to be powered on. Communication between the handset and receiver is by RF, not infra-red, so the handset doed not have to be pointed at the receiver to work. There is limited range however. The receiver was on the second floor in my living room near the two-channel hifi setup, and I had difficulty using the handset on the bottom floor, even though it was only about 10 feet from the receiver, so the RF was not penetrating the floor sufficiently to communicate with the receiver. Apparently, you can control the receiver with an iPhone or iPod Touch, but it requires some Perl script. Script has been written, but you may need to browse the various Mac forums to locate it. The interface on the handset is necessarily limited because of its small screen and relatively small amount of RAM, compared to a dedicated server which can hold as much RAM as any conventional computer. As a result, by comparison, dedicated servers have much more sophisticated user interfaces, often with touch screens that let you drag and drop albums and tracks from one place to another. And, it is such powerful user interfaces that you are really paying for with these dedicated servers.
The receiver is shown below.
After you have installed the Squeezebox software, called SqueezeCenter (latest version is 7.3.1), by downloading it from the Slimdevices website, you will be able to access all the albums stored on your PC. The first menu on the handset controller is shown below. The first thing to do is scroll down to the bottom of this menu and turn on the Squeezebox receiver (that option is out of the range of view on this screen). Then, select Music Library as shown in the photo. (You press the center button in the center of the wheel on the controller to select options. It is essentially the "Enter" button like on your PC.
That takes you to the next menu, where you select Albums.
Now you will see the list of all the albums stored on your computer. In my case, I ripped them using Windows Media Player with it configured for Windows Medial Audio Lossless (WMA). This reduces the file size by about half, but the quality is the same as the original CD, compared to MP3, where there is "lossy" compression, and the quality of the sound is not as good as the CD itself. Hard drives with huge storage capabilties are so inexpensive these days, there is no reason to store them in a lossy format to reduce the file size even further. If your computer is an old one with low storage capability, just add a new drive (I would suggest a drive with a terabyte of storage) just to store your music. In fact, add two drives, because you will need to back up all your music files on a different drive. So, in the case of the photo below, I highlighted a John Williams album.
Pressing the Enter button takes you to the list of tracks, shown below. "Play All" is highlighted, and you press Enter to begin playing the album. You can scroll down the list and play certain tracks if you wish.
There are other menus where you can connect to the Internet, including SqueezeNetwork, and subscribe to music services, as well as download the latest firmware for the receiver.
In Use The SqueezeCenter software installed without any problems. I then had to turn on the handset and receiver, and go through a process of connecting to my media server wirelessly, which requires putting in your network password. Once this is done, the handset will display your albums. If you leave the handset out of its recharging cradle, it will last all day long, but if you don't put it back in the cradle at all during the day, the handset will shut down by the end of the day because the battery power is weak. I did encounter an initial problem getting the receiver to connect to the server. I called Squeezebox tech support, and they said I had an early version of the receiver firmware that had connection problems. They stepped me through the process of getting the updated firmware, which required a hard wire Ethernet connection from the receiver to my network router. If you end up with this same problem, simply call their tech support, which I feel is the best I have ever encountered with any product. It was superb. Note that you should use the handset to download firmware updates for the handset and receiver, and use your PC connected to the Squeezebox website to download updates for the SqueezeCenter software. The SqueezeCenter software needs a lot of work to make it more user friendly. One of the main things you will do with it is to manage playlists (it's more difficult to do this using the handset, so you should do this from the SqueezeCenter software interface on your PC). The process involves displaying your albums in a left side window and moving the ones you want in the playlist to the right side, where the contents of a playlist are shown. The problem is that you have to go back and forth between several menus to add each album, and it is not intuitive in the least. You have to choose an album, move its contents to the right window pane, click save, and then name the playlist. Secondly, the playlist does not just list albums. It simply has all the tracks in the album. There is a small album icon next to each track, but if you put several albums in the playlist, you have to do a lot of scrolling to see what you have in the playlist. This whole process needs to be streamlined with a drop down menu labeled "Playlists". Items in the menu should be "Create Playlist" and "Open Playlist". You should be able to drag and drop albums shown in the left window pane to the new playlist or existing playlist that has been opened in the right window pane. You should be able to rearrange the order of the albums in the playlist. The list of albums should remain visible at all times in the left window pane. That is not the case with this software and is a reason you have to go back to another menu to get them listed again after moving one album to the playlist. The current software operates based on obscure little buttons and arrows rather than right clicking and seeing menus. It appears to be more of a Macintosh type screen, and since this is the Windows PC version of the software, I suggest the programmers put more things in that PC users are accustomed to, namely lots of drop down menus and right click options. On the handset, when you click on an album, you see the track list and an option to "Play All". If you want to set things up for the evening with several albums, there should be a second option when you click on subsequent albums, so that it offers "Play All" and "Add to Que". You should be able to go back to one of those albums in the que and it would say "Play All" and "Remove from Que" should you change your mind about having one of the albums in the que, or if you accidentally added the worng album. In the que, you should be able to right click on an album, or one of the tracks in the album and see a menu that says "Display by Album", "Display by Track Listing". Many albums that you rip to your music directory on your PC will show up in the Squeezebox with typos, Japanese characters (not a problem if you can read Japanese), or it will say Unknown Album, with no title, no artist, no identified tracks. What you need for this problem is software that is called a "Tagger". This lets you change the metadata that identifies what is on the album. You should use the tagger when any one album is ripped and shows up with such problems rather than ripping a dozen albums and you see that six of them are unidentified, and you have to figure out which ones are which. If you tag the album data whenever you rip an album and see that it is not identified, you won't run into trouble. My issue here is that SqueezeCenter software does not have a tagger, and I feel that it should. That way, you could rip an album, see it listed in SqueezeCenter, and edit the metadata. Since it does not have the tagger, I used Windows Media Center to do that. It does have a tagger, and you simply click on an album, click Edit, and you can change the title, artist, category, and titles of music tracks. For Windows XP, you need the Media Center version. For Vista, Media Center is included. Otherwise, you need to get tagging software (do a Google search for all the programs that are out there). Once you have ripped albums, you have to use a menu in SqueezeCenter to read the contents of your music directory again so that the new albums will show up in the hand held controller. In terms of quality though, the music sounds terrific. I was not able to tell whether the Squeezebox or my CD player was delivering the music, and I have very high quality CD players here in the lab. I suspect there might be a bit more distortion and noise, but if so, it was not noticeable. I used the RCA analog outputs from the receiver to my preamplifier (Balanced Audio Technology VK-5i). If you use the coaxial or Toslink output from the receiver to a high end DAC in your system, that might deliver an improvement, although it might not be audible. Nevertheless, if you have a good DAC, use one of the digital outputs from the Squeezebox receiver, as this will eliminate noise in the receiver's analog circuit, and if you use the Toslink optical connection, this will prevent any cable impedance mismatching. Conclusions We all would like to be able to play our CD collection in several rooms of our house, but rummaging through the pile of CDs is a pain, and they could be spread out in all those rooms and difficult to locate. A Media Server solves that problem, but dedicated units are very expensive. Using your PC to rip and store your CDs, along with an inexpensive wireless music streamer in the other rooms is the answer for those of us on a budget. The Squeezebox Duet is just such a product, is easy to set up, does have a bit of a learning curve, but the music plays and it sounds great. All at a fraction of the cost of a dedicated music server. UPDATE 11/16/09: I have had a Squeezebox Duet for more than a year. I had initial difficulties getting it connected to my network, and several months later, same thing. Tech support on the phone helped me through the process, but it was not easy. Lots of unplugging things, taking the battery out of the handset, etc. Comments (15)
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Ripping and Tagging
written by Paul Hartman , January 13, 2009 With regards to your comment on a tagger being part of SqueezeCenter - I think this is of limited value if you do a diligent job of ripping/tagging at the onset. I prefer to use EAC which is widely acknowledged as one of the leading PC programs for this task. It pulls in the tags at the time the CD is ripped and you can easily check and edit the tags as required at that time. I agree that SqueezeCenter needs work on playlists and some other interface issues but overall this has to be one of the most versatile, relatively "inexpensive" ways to set up a music server with much expandability both in terms of number of rooms served and adding an external DAC for increased sound quality. With the open source platform of the SqueezeCenter software, there is a large community that supports this device with enhanced functionality. I do think that someone who is not comfortable with wireless networking and is not likely to spend time playing with the SqueezeCenter software will not get the most out of this system. But for those folks I guess there is always the megabuck Soolos system or other dedicated, high-end music servers that cost many thousands of dollars. Overall, I think this is a product that will continue to grow - thank you for your thoughtful interview.
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written by JEJ , January 13, 2009 The whole idea of having the tagger in the SqueezeCenter software is so that you don't have to use additional software to retag the album you just ripped with the correct title and artist. You have to open SqueezeCenter and rescan your music library to have the newly ripped CDs show up in the list. You might as well retag them there at the same time. Opening an additional program to do this is simply inefficient.
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written by ped , January 13, 2009 I believe you are missing Paul's point John. If you use a full featured ripper such as the free EAC, J. River's MediaJukebox or nearly free dbPoweramp and take care to set them up correctly, then the tagging is done properly when you rip the CD and if not, you can make corrections with the same programs. Also, the display on the SqeezeBox classic is VFD not LED :)
Squeezebox Tips
written by Greg Mahoney , January 13, 2009 This version of the Squeezebox can also be controlled as can previous versions of the squeezebox from a web browser. Make sure you set the computer that is acting as the server to a static IP address on your router. In my case the server is at Http://192.168.1.119:9000. I can then access and control any of my Squeezebox appliances through any web browser which includes my laptop, PDA or my iPhone by typing in that address in the browser. The SqueezeCenter software has a dropdown that allows you to select which of your squeezebox units that you are controlling and you can have multiple streams with different playlists. You can even experience how a squeezebox would work without even owning one by downloading the opensource SoftSqueeze software http://softsqueeze.sourceforge.net/ to your laptop ot desktop computer. This software will work with the software you download for any Squeezebox here: http://www.slimdevices.com/su_downloads.html. This way you can try out the experience on your laptop or PC. I would bet that the majority of people who try this out will buy a Squeezebox Duet or Classic for their audio system.
Interesting
written by NoStrings , January 14, 2009 Your review is spot on. I absolutely love the Duet, and haven't touched my high end CD player (no internal DAC) since installing it. I run it into my DAC, and didn't bother with a side by side comparison, but wouldn't have worried about it either way. I did find the software part of things a pain though. All you software geeks (and I mean that in an envious way) understand what to do, but us oldies need it to be simpler. I would love to do my music searches via an iTouch album cover kind of way. As you get older, there goes the eyesight, and it's just easier to see and recognize an album cover, rather than "words." I love the Duet's remote, but the iTouch would be much better with its larger and easy-to-view screen; especially, if it had the Apple album cover feature. Anyone willing to pass along how this might be done, including Secrets to Home Theater, would be awesome.
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written by JEJ , January 14, 2009 I am not missing the point at all. You seem to be missing the point. The tagging is done properly when it is ripped. The problem is that often, the title is not spelled correctly, or it has Japanese characters, or you just want to change the title to be easier to read on the handset. None of the programs you mentioned will correct these problems automatically. After ripping CDs, you have to open SqueezeCenter to rescan. Once rescanned, the new albums now show up in the list. The most efficient way of retagging is to do it then and there in that new list of albums.
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written by Dan , January 14, 2009 When I use EAC to rip my CD's, I see all of the tag metadata displayed *before* I actually start the ripping process. It is at this point I can correct any metadata errors that may exist. As such, once ripped, I never have a need to ever retag my files.
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written by ped , January 15, 2009 Thanks John, It would have been better form for me to ask for clarification of what you you wrote rather than making an assumption. Now that I understand where you are coming from I guess I can see where at least a basic tagger to correct the odd typo or genre would be beneficial. Taking the concept a bit further it would be nice and even more efficient if the ripper/manager was part of the package as well. @NoStrings, There are several interface applications available for the iPod Touch/Phone, some are free on the web, poke around the SlimDevices forum and some are available through the ITunes "App Store". I don't know them well enough to say if they already have the "CoverFlow" functionality but I'm sure they eventually will. For the times you may access Squeeze Center with a PC or laptop there is a nifty interface called "Moose" that provides a very slick coverflow-ish functionality as well as a very nice search feature. Check out the "3rd Party Plugins" section at the SlimDevices forum for that one.
Editing Tags in SqueezeCenter
written by Paul Hartman , January 18, 2009 John, I see your point. Being able to edit a "mistake" in the tagging within the SqueezeCenter program would be more convenient. The manual re-scan is a bit of a pain as well. I am a fan of an external DAC though...
Power Supply
written by Richard , February 06, 2009 Nobody has mentioned the benefits of a really good external power supply to replace the standard supplied one. This is a massive improvement in all areas of the sound spectrum but can be expensive. I bought mine from Paul Hynes Design at http://www.paulhynesdesign.com/ and it is just short of £200 but well worth it in a High End system with a decent external DAC. I wouldn't be without it.
Retracted Recommendation
written by sean , November 16, 2009 The author posted an update to his original review, stating that he has to "retract" his recommendation for the product. This was due to issues he had with configuration of the device in his wireless network. I just wanted to comment, providing an alternate point of view. I own two Logitech Squeezeboxes, and am a very satisfied customer. They consistently operate successfully on my wifi network, and I've never had to deal with configuration issues more complex than those typical of any wifi network. Because of the fact that it does involve integration into a wireless network, there is a certain amount of complexity that goes beyond what you might expect from other types of stereo equipment. But there are many people like myelf who successfully use Squeezeboxes in a wireless environment on a regular basis. Logitech Sqeezebox - highly recommended.
Retracted Recommendation
written by Bob , November 16, 2009 Read the thread cited by the reviewer. Does it really matter if someone does not have problems with un-named Squeezebox products? It is clear from the thread that the Duet is the problematic member of Squeezebox family. You simply do not have this level of issues with Squeezebox, Transporter or the Boom model. Logitech seems more focused on releasing new products than stabilizing existing products.
Squeezebox Duet - Outstanding Product
written by Eric , November 16, 2009 I've own several Squeezebox products, including the Duet. Squeezeboxes are outstanding hardware that work great, as advertised. As for the author's problems, it's really too bad he didn't post about his particular troubles in the forums. Many users would have been happy to help out. One more amazing feature that the prior poster did not mention. The entire Squeezebox lineup is upgradeable. Not only by Logitech, but by 3rd parties in the public domain too. So new features and additional capabilities are regularly added all the time - and for free. I 2nd the above poster - Squeezeboxes - highly recommended.
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written by JEJ , November 17, 2009 Out of all products made by all manufacturers, there will always be some consumers who like the product and have no problem. Windows Vista was almost universally condemned by everyone, including the press and users, because of myriad flaws. But, I know one person who told me he loves Vista and has never had a problem. No matter how lousy the product, someone out there will like it. The Slim Devices forum on the Duet - http://forums.slimdevices.com/...hp?t=59863 tells you what's going on with the Duet. The hardware is fine. But the software that drives the connectivity is a disaster. If you are lucky, it will work. But, after having gone through three situations where I had to contact tech support to get the connection back to working, and going around in circles unplugging the router, unplugging the Squeezebox receiver, taking the battery out of the handset, I realized this product just does not cut it in terms of usability. The connectivity software needs a major overhaul, but I suspect this will not happen. Highly unrecommended.
Duet works fine for me, but not without trouble
written by jeffbar , November 17, 2009 I've had the SD for almost a year and there were times I almost returned. Yet I bought a new N router (sends out stronger G signals) and Logitech ultimately improved the software to the point that it works fantastic for me now. I really have no problems anymore. That said, I understand why the reviewer retracted his recommendation. It's been a hassle at times, for sure. I am just glad I am not one of the people who experiences constant problems because it is a drag. Write comment
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