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Written by Adrian Wittenberg   
Sunday, 14 September 2008 17:00
Article Index
Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu-ray Player - Benchmark
Page 2: Design of the Denon DVD-2500 Blu-ray Player
Page 3: Denon DVD-2500 Features and Benchmark Video Performance
Page 4: Using the Denon DVD-2500 Blu-ray Player
Page 5: Conclusions About the Denon DVD-2500
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Denon DVD-2500BCTI Blu-ray Player

Introduction

The DVD-2500BTCI is one of several Blu-ray players that Denon is offering in their current lineup.  Unlike the  DVD -3800BDCI which features a Realta HQV video processing solution and internal decoding of Dolby TrueHD and dts-HD Master Audio, the DVD-2500BTCI is billed as a digital-only transport that offers playback of BD discs as well as output of  the audio signals on the disc in raw bitstream format using its HDMI 1.3a compliant connection.  There have been only a few players available on the market that can perform such a task, but more and more players are now offering this feature.

Specifications

  • Design: Blu-ray Player
  • Supported Formats: BD-ROM (BDVideo), DVD-Video, DVD+R/RW,  DVD-R. DVD-RW, CD, CD-R/RW, MP3, WMA, JPEG, Kodak PictureCD, DIVX (ver.6)
  • Connections: HDMI 1.3a. RS232C, Denon Control
  • Dimensions: 5.5" H x 17.1" W x 15.4" D
  • Weight 20.3 Pounds
  • $999
  • Denon

The 2500BTCI does not have any analog connections and it is designed to be mated with an advanced AV processor that can decode the bitstream signal into its various native HD sound formats.  This includes Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, and dts-HD Master audio.  Products such as Denon’s  AVR-4308CI  or Integra’s DTC 9.8 along with a number of others, would be natural choices to use with this unit.  Between the three Blu-ray players that Denon offers, the DVD-2500BTCI would be the rational choice if you already own an AV processor that delivers  sound and video in spades.

 


 

The Design

The DVD-2500BTCI’s superior construction sets it apart from many other, lesser Blu-ray players.

Getting a look at the internals, we can see a cooling solution implemented as well as a view of Denon’s Precision Drive Mechanism, newly designed for Denon’s Blu-ray line.  Most notably the drive is enclosed with a top and bottom steel shield keeping the disc environment protected from dust and magnetic influences.

Denon’s Jeff Talmadge also told me that the drive tray is coated with a special protein to help eliminate vibration.
In addition, this player has no analog section and that gives it a simpler design, free from costly DAC components.  The DVD-2500BTCI’s intuitive layout eliminates interference between circuits by separating them from each other by placing the video and power sections of the unit on their own isolated circuit boards.  Furthermore, this player also uses steel plates on both the top and bottom of the chassis to not only further eliminate interference but also to suppress vibration.

Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu-ray Player Inside Chassis

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Denon is known for exceptional build quality and as you can see this player continues with that trend.  Getting a look at it from an external point of view, the 2500BTCI is a taller and heavier player than most.  At 20.3 lb its rugged chassis is also supported with feet to stabilize the unit.

Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu-ray Player Front

Moving to the front, the attractive brushed metal face plate looks very sleek.  It includes basic playback controls as well as an SD card slot that can play the MP3, WMA, JPEG and DIVX formats.  This player also features a rather large display, which I found to be very attractive and legible even from several feet away.  Its brightness can be adjusted via the settings in the menu and can be turned off completely by using the Pure Direct button located on both the remote control and the front panel.

Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu-ray Player Rear Panel

On the back panel, we see the single HDMI connection as well as a RS-232C control and an input to control other Denon devices from a single remote control.  As you can see, there is no Ethernet port on this unit, so this player will not support BD-Live and any firmware upgrades offered from Denon are performed by downloading an update from the Denon website and then burning it onto a CD-R.  The processing chip that the 2500BTCI employs is the Panasonic UniPhier solution.  This is the same decoder chip that’s been used on Panasonic’s BD-30 Blu-ray player.  The Panasonic UniPhier chipset also known as the Pro2P is an all-in-one solution that offers the ability to decode dual simultaneous HD signals.  This enables the 2500BTCI to output picture-in-picture content as well as output dual audio streams which makes it a Blu-ray 1.1 profile compliant player.

Denon DVD-2500BTCI Blu-ray Player Remote Control

The remote control is really well-organized and the buttons used most frequently are spaced apart and are easy to press singularly.  I liked the remote because of its straightforward operation. My main gripe with it is that it doesn’t have a backlight.

 


 

Features

The DVD-2500BTCI can play BD-video, DVD Video, CDs, and Kodak Picture CDs.  It can also play MP3, WMA, JPEG, and DIVX pc formats that are stored either on disc or on a SD memory card.

The 2500BTCI allows you to manually set the output resolution between 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p60, and 1080p24.  1080p24 works correctly if there is 1080p24 frame material on the disc, the display you are using supports the mode, and the display’s EDID reports the mode correctly to the player.  If not, the player will default to 1080p60 or the next available resolution that the display supports.  As of writing this, there is a firmware update released that addresses the selection of 1080p24 but I was unable to confirm its operation.

One of the most attractive feature sof this player is its ability to output HD audio codecs in their raw bitstream format. For someone like me who owns a dedicated AV processor, this is a preferred choice because the high quality components in the AV processor allow the sound to be reproduced exquisitely.   To enable this feature HD Audio output should be set to Normal.  If it’s set to HD Mix then the player sends the audio as a 5.1 PCM signal.  HD Mix is actually a feature used for special pip content on a BD disc.

The Blu-ray 1.1 profile requires the device to be able to play picture in picture content and as mentioned before, the 2500BTCI is capable of playing this content.  This feature is typically used for audio commentary or other novel ways of revealing more info about a film.  There haven’t been very many releases that take full advantage of this ability yet, but the recent Fox Studios sci-fi title Sunshine has it, and more will be coming on the horizon as the format develops and as more players are released that meet the hardware requirements of the 1.1 or 2.0 Blu-ray profile.  There have been reported issues with this unit attenuating the LFE content by 5db when otput through LPCM, but apparently there has been a firmware update that addresses this problem.

Standard DVD Video Processing Performance

This player is primarily designed for Blu-ray content and it, like other players built on the searlier revisions of the UniPhier chipset, didn’t fare well on Secrets benchmarks for SD content.  Here are the results.

The main issue I saw with the 2500BTCI was that it was unable to handle any of Secret’s film based cadence tests.  These high detail wedge patterns test to see if the decoder is properly handling the 3:2 cadence and this player was unable to pass any of them which effectively means that resolution can be substantially lost as the player stays in video mode the whole time.  The player is motion adaptive but it also failed the 2-2 cadence test.

On the upside, the 2500BDCI was able to display scenes with high detail content fairly well such as the Super Speedway test and also the more difficult Coliseum panning scene in Gladiator but it did take the player about a second to lock onto the pattern so I gave it a borderline score.  The DVD-2500BTCI also failed two of the benchmark tests that check for the CUE error.

Since this player doesn’t have any analog outputs, measurements weren’t taken with the Tektronix Oscilloscope.  This player didn’t crop any pixels whatsoever and a visual assessment of the YC Delay test didn’t exhibit any problems.  All in all, this player exhibits below average performance in the Secrets DVD Benchmark.

 


 

In Use

This player takes around fifteen seconds to power on and initiate and it has very smooth and quiet operation due to its exceptional build quality.  Load times on the player were decent with Blu-ray discs such as Pan’s Labyrinth and 300 loading up from start to finish at around forty seconds and Java titles loading up longer between a minute or two.  That’s slower than a Sony Playstation 3 (which is known for speedy operation) but not by much and it’s very respectable given what else is out there.

Commands from the remote were a tad on the sluggish side with a minor but noticeable delay between when I pushed the button and when the command processed.  Chapter skips operated briskly and were nothing to complain about.  There are five speeds of fast forward and reverse and they operated well and were fairly smooth. 
On our benchmark test for layer change the DVD-2500BTCI clocked in at a hair under a second which gives it a passing score for the test.

My setup has the Denon 2500BTCI output in bitstream mode to my Integra 9.8 DTC processor.  I experienced a few HDMI handshake issues here and there with the audio not syncing up but I’m unable to tell if it was the player or the processor causing them.

Video

Being a HDMI 1.3a player, the 2500BTCI supports up to 36 bit Deep Color.  In the menu under the HDMI RGB setting you can select between “Normal” which has the IRE range set between 16 and 235 and “Enhanced” which changes the range from to 0 to 246 which enables one to see any additional highlights or shadows and displays more headroom and footroom present in source material.

Blu-ray video material looked very sharp with excellent definition and very good color representation including great depth in the shadows and highlights.  The 2500BTCI didn’t clip a single pixel at higher resolutions and also showed that it could produce a wide array of colors without banding effects seen on the Avia II banding pattern.  On the other hand, the player was tested for proper i/p conversion of 1080i material and it failed thus there is some loss of detail in this kind of material.  I also put the 2500BTCI through Silicon Optix’s three line jaggies test and it showed diagonal processing in effect.

The player also was tested for noise reduction but no apparent noise reduction was occurring for HD material.  I viewed the  BonusView pip feature in action on Fox Studio’s  Sunshine release and it was an entertaining feature.  A small window came up in the bottom right corner of the screen that played an HD sequence that had video and audio content relevant to the current scene.  I found it to be an interesting way to get more out of a film and I’m interested to see how this idea continues to be implemented.

Audio

When watching Blu-ray titles, the combination of the 2500BTCI and my AV processor produced excellent audio results.  Discs that contained Dolby True HD content such as Legends of Jazz with Ramsey Lewis Showcase sounded superb giving the soundstage seamless boundaries and excellent reproduction across the whole frequency spectrum.  Marcus Miller’s performance on the track entitled Panther sounded incredible with all the ranges of the electric bass work sounding very natural and articulate.

I had results that were similarly exquisite with dts-Master audio material such as from Pan’s Labyrinth and this setup made me appreciate how luxurious the modern lossless HD sound formats really are.  There was a lot to like about the DVD-2500BTCI’s performance when used together with a qualified AV processor and it’s a solution that I got a lot of enjoyment from.

 


 

Conclusions

Denon’s BD2500BTCI Transport is a solid product that has very smooth operation and is likely to withstand manyyears of use due to its high build quality.  When coupled with an AV processor that has additional video processing and support for the latest HD sound codecs it represents an excellent Blu-ray solution for home theater.  While there is a trade-off with mediocre standard DVD performance the BD2500BTCI Transport performed very well as intended and it is a very attractive offering from Denon.

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Comments (22)add comment
BD2500BTCI
written by TRT , September 15, 2008

So what does this all mean? Is it a better solution than the PS3?


Pros and Cons
written by AdrianW , September 15, 2008

What you are paying for here is build quality with a top notch drive transport, HD Audio bitsream output, Denon's high level of customer service and support, integration with other Denon components, etc. Whether or not that's "better" than the PS3 is all up to what is important to you.


3800BDCI
written by EWL5 , September 15, 2008

Any chance you guys will be reviewing the Denon 3800BDCI next? ;)


3800
written by jim , September 15, 2008

we going to see a followup review of the 3800?





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written by JEJ , September 15, 2008

We have a lot of Blu-ray players on the way for Benchmark reviews. There are newer Denons than the 3800 and we will likely focus on those because of time limitations. The 2500 is not a new player, but we used it as a model for developing the tests and it took a long time to get that one done. In any case, we finally have the Benchmark procedures for Blu-ray players ready to go. There will be some additional tests included in future reviews as they are developed, but the basic DVD Blu-ray Player Benchmark is complete.


DVD Blu-ray Player Benchmark
written by FiguredMaple , September 15, 2008

Thanks for doing this. I'm looking forward to your upcoming Blu-ray player reviews.


need more reviews... faster.
written by ws , September 16, 2008

Here's another BR player that has mediocre SD performance...

JJ, we need a flood of reviews from you! There are more new players coming this fall and you guys have just scratched the surface of the summer batch!



King of the Hill not to be benchmarked?!!
written by EWL5 , September 16, 2008

I consider the Denon 3800/Marantz 8002 to be the best BD player you can buy right now for both audio and video quality. The only other contender even rumored to be on the same playing field is Pioneer's upcoming 09 player, and that won't be out until at least December (w/o DTS-HD MA decoding in box).

Truly a shame, JJ. :(



...
written by JEJ , September 16, 2008

Adrian is already testing the next Blu-ray player and others are in the que. We will get them done as quickly as possible. All the manufacturers are anxious to have their latest models included in our new Blu-ray Benchmark. We won't be testing the 3800 because Denon has several models newer than the 3800, and there is just not enough time. Adrian's storage room for players arriving is already filling up. Suffice it to say that THE SECRETS DVD PLAYER BENCHMARK IS BACK!


Garbage
written by Carl Mulder , September 16, 2008

I'm suprised Denon wouldn't even care about standard DVD playback, and no ethernet connection. Are Denon mad? This is a disgrace, I definately will not be buying this Blu-ray player.


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written by JEJ , September 16, 2008

A Blu-ray player should be judged primarily for its Blu-ray operation. Most of us already have a good SD DVD player and we buy a Blu-ray player to add HD to our home theater system. You don't have to throw away your old SD DVD player. Use them both to do what each does best.


Product Line
written by AdrianW , September 16, 2008

Denon has the 3800 which has Realta processing that adresses SD playback. An ethernet port and 1gb of onboard memory adds BD-Live capability but we still really haven't seen BD-Live take off yet.


Oppo's Offering
written by Jim O , September 17, 2008

It will be interesting to see the Oppo offering, which may be out late this year/early next year. Have you heard anything more about a launch date JEJ? I'm trying to hold off until then. Hopefully they will provide similar HD performance to their outstanding DVD performance.

Jim



performance/functionality when feeding another scaling/deinterlacing solution ?
written by Oliver K , September 17, 2008

Thank you for the review that I have read with great interest, I hope that from now on there will be more Blu-Ray players featured in Secrets.

I think that there are more than a few readers on this site who have a very good deinterlacing/scaling solution with their standalone scaler, receiver, preamp or display.

To feed such a device the player "only" has to output what is on the disc, which in most cases I think will be 480i, 576i, 1080i and 1080p material. All Blu-Ray players I have seen so far (4) could not output what is on the disc untouched, on top of that most had to be switched back and forth between different fixed output resolutions to circumvent them from upcaling DVDs and all of them could NOT output 480i and 576i either which is especially unfortunate as 3 of them had inferior SD deinterlacing performance.

It would be nice to know if a player would be able to serve as that kind of transport without having to switch around output resolutions and without any artefacts like chroma upsampling errors and of course with a proper frequency response that according to a German print magazine is even a bit weaker with the Denon for 1920x1080. To my knowledge the two new Pioneer players have a "native" mode that accomplishes exactly that, I think they are even able to output 4:2:2 bits as opposed to 4:4:4 that is used by other solutions as a default or as the only available mode.

I am not so sure how to put this into every test, maybe a primer on what test parameters apply for readers who are looking for such a player would be nice and also information about available output resolutions and bit depths and a "native" mode in the tests should be possible the latter is not always something that works as it should according to the user manual.



Tektronix Measurements
written by AdrianW , September 18, 2008

Typically the Secrets benchmark uses a waveform monitor to measure Y/C delay, Levels, and Frequency Response which gives a good indication as to the quality in which a player will pass the analog signal to an external scaler/decoder. In the 2500's case there were no analog outputs. Future players that have analog outputs will be tested. The selection of resolutions will also be addressed in future reviews.


Very poor value!
written by Charles , September 18, 2008

"drive tray is coated with a special protein"...give me a break! How can Secrets fall for this nonsense?

For a thousand dollars you can get an Oppo 983 for much superior SD performance and one of several comparable Blu-ray players and have a few hundred left over to buy DVDs.



Hey, its a transport people!
written by anon , September 18, 2008

Yes, some people don't understand what this player is for. This is not a full featured player, this is a transport. It is absolutely great for what it is intended for. If you don't have a Reala/SiliconOptix filled AVR and want good SD, then this isn't the player for you - yes, that is true. (Just as if you don't own a separate DAC then a CD transport would do you no good. Unless you like the way it looks.) I have a VPPro-type scaler, and I want untouched output from a DVD player, and that is what this offers.

The poster above me mentions this, but I want to re-iterate and drill this into people.

Now - Denon - update it for BR2.0 (ethernet and SD slot) and lower the price by 200, release by Jan/Feb and we have a deal :).

Oh - one more comment on the transport issue - to really nail down how this works - this device has only *one* output on the back. 1 HDMI connection. Extremely clean.



Please include SD performance
written by ws , September 18, 2008

JEJ-

Please continue to include SD (upscaling) performance as part of your BR test suite. I am not sure where you get "most of us" but I will not be filling my rack with multiple players. My SD player is OLD and waiting to be replaced with something worthy. Also, I see BR technolgy as at-risk. I don't mind paying for it as long as I can fall-back on the player's SD performance.

Please benchmark and let the buyer decide.

Thanks,



It may be a transport, but...
written by Otto , September 20, 2008

anon: Yes, it is marketed as purely a transport, BUT in my opinion Denon failed BADLY in designing a pure transport, since there is no way to automatically output the format that's on the disc (Pioneer has this feature, and hence is a better transport than this). In short, this player does NOT deliver an untouched signal to your VP - quite the contrary, it renders your VP useless. This becomes even more important due to the fact that the player apparently fails 1080i de-interlacing, so even for blu-ray, it only works flawlessly with 1080P discs. Yes, I know, there are not many 1080i discs outthere yet, but they will increase in numbers, and this is a thousand buck transport after all, so it should work on any disc outthere. In my opinion, the DVD-2500BD is a really, really bad design, unless Denon manages to deliver a firmware update that provides a source direct feature like Pioneer, to allow the player to deliver the signal without any processing. Without this feature, this is a bad choice in ANY system, if you want to use it for anything other than playing 1080P blu-ray discs.


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written by anon , September 24, 2008

Otto: I actually agree completely. Having read a lot about the hardware side, I assumed it would have a pure passthrough mode. It doesn't! Crazy... Denon might fix with patch, they did patch something about 24 cadence during the review above. I hope they will...

It is currently an awkward feature set that doesn't really make sense.

I also agree above with the person who says they should do SD tests on all of the players, I just wanted people to realize most won't buy this player for SD upconversion. My comment was more at the readers of the magazine that to the magazine itself.

What is ironic is that right now the only 'real' transport, then, is the Pioneer. And it has expensive Wolfson DACs inside... That as a transport you won't use....... ever....

So, I change my advice to Denon, now it consists of:

1) Implement 'pure passthrough'
2) BR 2.0 compliant
3) Reduce price by 200 (100 at least!)

Now we're talking!!!!



...
written by Scott , September 26, 2008

Where are the Blu-Ray benchmarks going to be located? Melded in with the SD? As of 9/25, this is the only one, right?

I've found your tests invaluable over the past several years. I'm thrilled to see you going blu. All I can ask is, hurry up . Seriously.



manual changeover
written by anon , November 04, 2008

Okay - it seems you can do low-rez output of SD-DVDs via HDMI, its just not auto-detected. You have to go through some menu's first. So that isn't soooo bad, but it should have auto-detect mode.

I've been reading that several of these companies are slow to do auto-detect and pure-passthrough because of the 'extra' content, that may not be at the same rate as the movie itself. You have to do pure-passthrough very carefully, or you get lots of flickering when changing between modes, which people don't like. That said, it certainly can be done, Pioneer has implemented it quite well.




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