Comments for The Synergistic Research ACOUSTIC ART Real-Time Analogue Room Treatment at http://www.hometheaterhifi.com , comment 1 to 60 out of 20 comments http://www.hometheaterhifi.com Fri, 10 Feb 2012 01:14:17 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-5380 It looks like someone had been forced to buy one yourself by court ,not made a personal choice how to spend his hard earned money by himself . Cool down guys - take it easy. Buy it if you like it and can afford it. & Save yourself spit if you don't ,no one is the same . but ,please stop to abuse people who read it and use language which most of us would like to avoid rather to hear coming back to this forum. On the end to make it clear . I heard both systems on presentations as well as enjoyed both on loan in my listening room. Both works great ,however slightly different. Both are not cheap either ,but worth having. And on the end both have a habit not to ruin your room appearance. I know some people can live in the room stuffed of foam and they a pretty happy with it. But I am not on this position. And to finish ,I am using them .It took time to build it up ,step by step.But every achievement does. If you love music you build your system too. It grows and changes as much as your experience does.And you possibly enjoying live gigs too. Other way all you know about sound is what is coming from your speakers ;-) As a man who is spending 2 months a year on different festivals I know what I am talking about . And this is why I checked it out and applied to my room .It took time as like most of us I have to work for my money and I am watching my spendings carefully. - greg Fri, 13 Jan 2012 04:14:02 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4784 Nothing from what I can tell reading all the threads online in several forums. Ted won't supply any measurements of his own, John Atkinson of Sterophile refuses to test them because deep down he KNOWS they are a scam yet let several threads run for months on his forum, with himself participating in the discussion. He found an "easy out" for never doing the tests, but denies it's his fault saying Ted never sent the bowls for testing. Who would blame Ted for not sending him something that doesn't work? - Ron Dellis Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:01:38 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4706 As per Toddennis link to the "measurements" Frank M states: "Hi I have been too busy to read all the immensely interesting posts in several no-less interesting threads ... So you will bear with me .. In looking at the graphs posted by Nyal, I would surmise that the contribution of the Synergistic resonator i,s very, very faint ... I mean, people wearing different clothes are bound to effect in some ways the FR of a given system .. Aren't we to use a colloquial term "splitting hair" to find a difference? I have seen such strenuous protocols to prove there are differences ...indeed there could be .. You scratch a CD and there might be!!! ... In life, in science everything has an effect ... Are all of them perceptible by the human apparatus? I don't see in these graphs anything that would be construed as "correction" others may disagree but ...people ... Is what I am seeing in these graphs .. Correction of any sort ? I would not qualify these as such... Frantz" also by JackD2001: "Interesting that you should mention people wearing the different clothes Frantz. I share your position on this one. Having 3 more people in the room could vary the environment's acoustical properties more than the little bowls. To be honest I was invited to audition the SR versions (not the Frank Tsang ones) in the dealers showroom. Not only were the differences I thought I perceived very small, they were inconsistent. In no way did I think it was better all the time, in fact I felt depending on tracks things got worse. I guess I'm at a point where if you want me to spend big bucks the differences have got to be pretty obvious and that the differences are positive AND consistently so. Well, to each his own. These things just aren't for me. I ended up walking out of the store with a bunch of concert DVDs and a smile on my face." Then later on Ethan talks more about the measurements: "That's a good point. I always explain that it's critical to not move the microphone even 1/4 inch between Before / After tests, but it's just as important to not move anything else including yourself and others in the room. Especially when using an omni microphone as is typical. If you are two feet behind the microphone and move two inches to one side between tests, that will affect reflections getting into the microphone from the rear of the room. Now, Nyal did six tests which hopefully will average out such differences. Unless there were other people in the room who moved around between tests. But still, understanding acoustics and knowing the size of these little bells, it makes sense to me that something other than their presence could account for the small difference measured. When I do comparative tests in the RealTraps lab, the factory guys who help move stuff in and out leave the room each time while I'm running the software. --Ethan" Now the person who did the measurements is Nyal Mellor of Acoustic Frontiers who doesn't even offer Ted's lil' bowls as an option but instead sells PROVEN products like RealTraps along with other products that WORK, yep that's right folks, Nyal doesn't even bother to tell people to use those worthless bowls. "Landmark product" Howard? I don't see ANY recording studios using Ted's product......show me where they are? Once more Ted has been caught trying to post parts of a forum thread instead of the whole thing. You can't pick and choose "facts" Ted. It's been what now almost 3years since YOU promised measurements yourself? I think at this point we can all put it down as a MAJOR FAIL on your part. - Yuan Fong Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:14:09 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4165 So we now have measurements to support what was so obvious to those of us who listened. I guess this means we can say goodbye to juvenile rants from the peanut gallery and get on with enjoying the music. Thank you Jason for having the courage to report on this landmark product and kudos to Secrets for publishing the review. - Howard Rourk Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:33:08 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4155 I just found measurements supporting the function of the Acoustic ART System. http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?2803-quot-Intriguing-quot-audio-components-that-are-said-to-improve-sound-quality./page4 Says Synergistic's long time detractor and competitor Ethan Winer of RealTraps, "it's more change than I expected, so I'm glad you did three runs of each! How many resonators were in the room, and where were they? Most important, how close were they to the measuring microphone?" Says the measurement taker, "I think there were 6 resonators in the room and the nearest was maybe 10ft away from the mic." I seem to recall Ethan stating the only way these resonators can affect a microphone is if they are less than a few inches away from the microphone. It seems Ethan is punting here folks. Interesting indeed. - toddennis Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:10:29 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4149 Oh boy, it took a few days for Ethan to find the new post. Good for you. Be sure to stock up on insulation from your local lumber store for your boards. Or, should I say Fiji, Tiny, and on and on. Y'know the rest of them (you), don't you, Ethan. - Whiner Sun, 20 Feb 2011 06:33:08 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4144 No Longer The Skeptic or should I say TED DENNY, please stop posting under a fake name just so you can squeeze out another dollar from the gullible on here. Almost a whole year has gone by since "Tony" made claim that recording studios are using this crap, yet he NEVER came back to give us the name of those studios.....hmmmmm sounds like a complete lie to me. Prove me wrong "Tony" or should I say TED? - Yuan Fong Sat, 19 Feb 2011 03:26:22 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4076 Clearly Jason is not alone in his assessment of the ART system. Evidently Johnathon Valin over at TAS has found favor with it as well. http://www.avguide.com/blog/three-unusually-effective-new-tweaks-hi-fi-systems - No longer the skeptic Thu, 10 Feb 2011 08:43:07 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4038 Do you think there might be the slightest chance that something we perceive might not currently be able to be measured by current methodologies? If not, has science inquiry stopped? If so, then why are so many people slamming this product if they haven't heard it? Perception usually leads to the scientific inquiry of 'why' something happens. I am not an owner of an ART system, not a shill, not Ted, not Ethan, not Santa... - Gordon Sun, 06 Feb 2011 00:25:12 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4037 ...science hasn't changed since the 60s. Let's see now - power cords don't make a difference, neither do speaker cables. And, of course, isolation devices don't make a difference. They just can't, because 'I' know 'SCIENCE!' Hmmm...I haven't actually heard any of these thingies but they can't possibly work. We should all have the console stereo cabinets with the BSR record changer. That was 'proven' to sound good. Maybe get the one with the 'color' television built in. Oh yes, the world looks flat, so I'm not influenced by those who see the mast of the boat first. They can't prove they see the mast. You see, it's the brain that makes them 'think' they see the mast. It's all very complicated. I'll explain. There have been studies that show that people's visual perception can be tricked. They were just confused. Maybe it's just the reflection of the water that makes them 'believe' they see the tip of the mast. That's it. I understand it all. (Gee, it's good to know I can make myself feel so smart.) - Sarcasm Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:57:01 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4020 By the way - I haven't heard what these things do - but I might give them a go sometime. After that I'll probably ask questions. They'll be differing questions, depending on what I think I have heard. I'm reasonably confident they won't be distorted by quasi-Hi-Church dogma or an otherwise debilitatingly deficient sense of natural curiosity and wonder - inherited or otherwise. Well... I hope so, anyway. - David Harris Thu, 27 Jan 2011 04:35:43 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4018 I've read through the comments from June 2009 to this month. The overwhelming majority of the detractors are, in their approach and style, a very depressing bunch who jointly illustrate much of what the inquisitive within the human race have had to put up with down the centuries. Their 'scientific' prejudices amount to little more than vacuous cant (not "can't" - which I suspect is a far more familiar word to these individuals). It might indeed be mainly crap - but I'd be deeply ashamed to discount every bit of it in such a purile way most of the above detractors do. Why don't they give up Hi Fi and defect to Hi Church instead. They would recognise a greater percentage of soul-mates there and possibly benefit from a cosier feeling of belonging. That's an important human emotion and not to be underestimated. - David Harris Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:34:51 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-4007 Hats off to Synergistic, really. Cornering the market of low IQ rich people selling them snake oil, I really got to hand it to them. It's a sales pitch masterclass :) Anyone with even the mildest level of scientific understanding and knowledge of audio equipment of course knows this is all complete and utter rubbish, because sound waves simply do not behave in this way for a bowl to have that kind of effect, period. You might as well say the Spaghetti Monster improves the acoustics it has as much factual merit. Actually come to think of it, a Spaghetti Monster would actually provide better acoustic absorption than a bowl.... - SteveBrian Sun, 23 Jan 2011 02:07:29 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-3512 How interesting that both didn't respond with the names of the alleged recording studios that use these stupid bowls. Yet more proof that it's all one big FAKE add campaign on here for the past year. Oh and BAAS is the biggest joke in the world of audio clubs. Headed by Jason Victor Serinus who just happened to have written the above "review". He doesn't believe in double blind tests BUT he said on the Stereophile forums that he ALWAYS has heard a difference in the sound when ANY power cord, cable or speaker wire was changed. LOL He's the worst "reviewer" you could have picked to "test" anything.Please refrain from ever using him again. - Yuan Fong Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:37:45 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-3447 So Tony can't supply the names of the two recording studios that use these silly bowls? Thought as much since it's all FAKE. Mark Z care to share the name of the studios since you are defending these silly bowls also? I'm betting you can't. Just more BS from Ted Denney and his company.Glad you think I'm Ethan Winer since I'm not, try reading my name next time silly person. - Yuan Fong Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:01:51 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-3434 Hi Melvin How did you attach the copper end cap to the small piece of wood, and/or to your wall? For $0.50 at Home Depot, I'd certainly be willing to experiment with that and hear what difference it makes! Thanks Chris - chris Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:23:47 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-3430 Yuan Fong, You sound like Ethan Winer scared owner of Real Traps LLC. I was at the BAAS demo and it works. Period. - Mark Z Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:36:43 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-3418 This "Tony" person is the same one who tried posting this crap on Stereophile and got deleted.It's a word for word BS statement. Why would any competent Audio Engineer throw away proven acoustic treatments for these silly bowls? Hey "Tony", what's the names of the two recording studios that use Ted's bowls? Yeah that's what I thought you won't be posting the names online now will you because they are FAKE. What "Tony" is trying to do is simply LIE so his products get bought. Oops I let it slip that "Tony" is probably Ted. - Yuan Fong Wed, 14 Jul 2010 05:00:42 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-3330 I used to have $10k of traditional room traps in my studio, mostly RealTraps & GIK. When it burned down, we set up anew, but hadn't reinstalled the traps. It was only then I realized the traps were really doing just as much damage to the sound as they were helping. A friend of mine I used to call an "audiophool" had an Acoustic a.r.t. in his studio and he wouldn't shut up about it to me. So I finally agreed to try his weird asian mystic temple resonator room treatment system. Well I was flabbergasted that something so small could have such a profound effect on what is a pretty large space. I played back the same mixes I'd been hearing for weeks, and they sounded 100x better, without the damage to the sound we were getting from the absorptive traps. Even my musicians noticed a difference, and said they played better because they were hearing better sound out of their instruments! At 1/3 the cost of what I paid for the traditional stuff and superior sonics, this is one of the best buys I've made in audio. - Tony Mon, 21 Jun 2010 06:43:45 +0100 http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/accessories/935-room-treatment/643-the-synergistic-research-acoustic-art-real-time-analogue-room-treatment.html#comment-3210 This video explains why sound quality sometimes seems to change even when it didn't: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ This probably explains why people believe the sound changed with these small devices. - Joe Bonello Mon, 24 May 2010 03:01:39 +0100