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You may have noticed that we have changed the look and feel of this latest shootout. If you have not yet read the Guide to the Progressive Scan Shootouts, then please do so before continuing. If you do not read the guide before hand, you may not understand the new system. We have also worked hard to move over the previous shootouts to the new look. You can now view all shootouts at once.
We also recommend you read the latest updates to Part 5 of the DVD Benchmark and the Chroma Upsampling Error.
The Test Results
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| DVD-5910> | Auto-D> | 97 | .5 | 4.5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-5910> | Video > | 97 | .5 | 4.5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-5910> | Auto-C> | 96 | .5 | 4.5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3910> | Auto 2 | 93 | 15 | .5 | 4 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3910 | Auto 2 | 92 | 15 | .5 | 4 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-5900 | Auto 2 | 92 | 15 | .5 | 4 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3930C> | Auto | 91 | 5 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-1600 | Auto | 91 | 15 | 1.75 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2900 | Mode1 | 90 | 5 | 1 | 0.0 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3910> | Auto 1 | 90 | 15 | .5 | 4 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3800 | Mode1 | 88 | 5 | .5 | 5 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-5900 | Default | 88 | 15 | .5 | 4 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3910 | Auto 1 | 88 | 15 | .5 | 4 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-9000 | Mode1 | 88 | 5 | .5 | 5 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVM-2815 | Default | 87 | 15 | 2 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2910> | Auto 2 | 86 | 15 | 1 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2910> | Auto 2 | 86 | 15 | 1 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3930C> | Auto | 86 | 5 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-910 | Default | 85 | 15 | 2.5 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2200 | Mode 1 | 83 | 5 | 2 | 0.0 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2910> | Auto 1 | 83 | 15 | 1 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2910> | Auto 1 | 83 | 15 | 1 | 3 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-1910> | Default | 82 | 15 | 2 | 2.5 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-1910 | Default | 82 | 15 | 2 | 2 | |||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-900 | Default | 76 | 15 | 11 | 1.75 | 3.5 | ||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2800 | Default | 75 | 5 | 2 | 0.5 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-2200 | Mode 2 | 69 | 5 | 2 | 0.0 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-3800 | Mode2 | 60 | 3 | 1 | .5 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-9000 | Mode2 | 59 | 2 | 1 | 1 | .5 | 5 | |||||||||||||||||
| DVD-5910> | Video > | 58 | .5 | 4.5 | ||||||||||||||||||||
| DVD-1710 | Default | 52 | 5 | 2 | 2 | |||||||||||||||||||
Notes on individual players:
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Denon - DVD-5910
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DVD-5910 (DVI/HDMI) - Auto-DVI |
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Image Cropping Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags | ||
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DVD-5910 (DVI/HDMI) - Video 2-DVI |
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Image Cropping Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags | ||
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DVD-5910 (Component) - Auto-Component |
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Image Cropping | ||
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Image Cropping Sync Subtitle to Frames 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Bad Edit Incorrect Progressive Flags | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags | 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Film Mode High Detail Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Motion Adaptive | |
Denon has clearly established themselves as a leading force in DVD technology. No other company has pushed the envelope as far as they have in features, design, or execution. Like any company, they have had their share of hiccups, but that is almost to be expected when you are at the bleeding edge. The DVD-5910 is their latest flagship offering and the followup to the DVD-5900, but actually has little in common with its predecessor. I would almost say it has more in common with the DVD-9000. This is just about a completely new video player from the ground up. The only thing I could find that was the same as in the 5900 is the ESS MPEG decoder. And that is one of my sore spots. The ESS chip seems to be getting worse in regards to chroma performance. Even with the advanced chroma filters this player has, it barely passes our tests. I really hope Denon moves past this ESS chip and finds one with better performance in this area. Chips from Sigma Designs, Mediatek, and Mediamatics do just this. Because the filters do mask the problem (although just barely), this player gets a borderline score for our chroma test for 3-2 alternating flags. This means the player passes these tests but only with the filters. The nice thing is, this player doesn’t suffer from the flicker problem like the DVD-2900 and previous Mitsubishi MPEG decoder players did. The first breakthrough feature on this player is definitely the inclusion of Silicon Optix’s new chip; the Realta HQV. This is, in a nutshell, a new chip based on the Teranex video processor. For those not familiar with the Teranex, it is a $60,000 commercial video processor that has long been considered the de facto video processing standard. This chip offers true 10-bit processing end to end and is one of the only chips on the market that will do true 1080i to 1080p inverse telecine de-interlacing. While this chip does offer a full scaling capability, Denon has chosen to only use the chip for its I/P conversion and video post processing. As a de-interlacer, the Realta is the best I’ve seen. It combines the features I love about both the Faroudja and Silicon Image chips and doesn’t have any of their drawbacks. This chip recovers from a cadence break faster then the Faroudja and stays in film mode longer. It also has incredible video de-interlacing capabilities. I called up the famous Faroudja flag waving in the wind test to see how it would do. Previously only Faroudja based de-interlacers with DCDi technology would render this flag perfectly with no obvious jaggies. The Realta performed every bit as good though. I also tried some of my harder tests, including a clip from the recent Blue Man Group DVD-A The Complex. This disc features a music video with Dave Matthews and always causes problems for de-interlacers. Comparing the Realta with the Faroudja solution revealed far less combs and more stability in the image. This chip also doesn’t exhibit any of the macroblocking issues associated with the latest Genesis FLI-23xx based video chips. The only area that the Faroudja solution eclipsed the Realta processing was with diagonal lines. The Faroudja showed less jaggies with extreme diagonals then the Realta. I know Silicon Optix is still tweaking their performance in this area and I look forward to seeing what advancements they’ll make in this regard. On the video post processing side, this chip is really quite impressive. Denon has incorporated some of the noise reduction features this chip offers. Normally, I am not a big fan of these filters, as they usually tend to hurt the image more then help it, but in this case, the benefits are quite obvious. Turning the filters on, and using material that was pretty bad in terms of artifacts, definitely cleaned the image up without adding any unnecessary ringing or softness. This was readily apparent using the Silicon Optix demonstration DVD. I would still only recommend this for badly authored DVDs and only at the end users discretion. Since Denon offers five individual picture memories, one could easily tailor one for badly authored DVDs and one for better discs. This player has three progressive modes to choose from; Auto, Video 1 and Video 2. We recommend Auto as it does everything correctly. In fact, we are still kind of puzzled as to why Denon included two other modes. Video 1 is a forced video mode that doesn’t do anything that Auto can’t do and Video 2 is pretty much identical to Auto. For scaling, Denon turned to one of the companies that is a personal favorite of mine; DVDO. I use DVDO’s iScan HD as my reference video processor. I had my Denon DVD-5900 SDI modded and fed the iScan HD for all of my I/P and scaling duties. The scaling solution in the 5910 is not the same as the iScan HD, as this processor is true 10-bit processing while the iScan HD is 8-bit but I could not really tell a difference with the material I played during my tests. As much as I love the inclusion of the DVDO scaling to this player; it is also the source of my biggest gripe. The 5910 only supports three NTSC resolutions via HDMI or DVI; 480p, 720p, and 1080i. This is a glaring oversight in my opinion and really the Achilles heel of the player. It supports two of the best scaling solutions the market has to offer today, yet it does not take advantage of them to the extent I feel they should. In my opinion this player should have come pre-programmed with most, if not all, of the common resolutions available. I was expecting at least the pre-programmed resolutions one finds with the iScan HD processors. There are way too many odd resolutions out there right now because there are so many display technologies. The drawback of not supporting these resolutions means that the end display has to rescale the image to its native resolution and therefore negates the advantages of having these spectacular resolutions in the player. I also think the 5910 should have supported custom resolutions similar to the Bravo and Momitsu offerings. This would allow anyone to dial in the resolution of the display and achieve 1:1 pixel mapping, which should be the goal of any videophile. This tends to produce the best picture from almost any given display as most if not all of the internal video processing is bypassed and the full benefits of the player’s processing is shown. At the price point this player comes in at, I think it is a glaring omission by Denon’s engineers. The reality is, I can buy a DVD-5900 or DVD-3910 and feed its digital signal through either via DVI or SDI, to an outboard scaler and basically outperform the 5910, and it would still be cheaper. The de-interlacing and scaling performance would take a bit of a hit but I would still save quite a bit of change. Granted you also wouldn’t reap the other benefits this player may bring to the table such as a huge step up in build quality and what might be an improvement in audio (we have not started our tests on the audio side of this player yet) but this will probably depend more on what you are currently using in your own setup. I tested this idea in my own setup. My reference setup is comprised of a DVD-5900 that has been modified with a SDI output and feeds an iScan HD for video processing. The iScan is sending a 1:1 resolution to my plasma via DVI. The difference between this feed and a standard 480P feed via DVI is startling. This has been the case regardless of the digital display I’ve tested it on at any resolution. The fact is most of the inboard processing in consumer displays does not match the quality you’ll find in outboard processors or high end DVD players. If your display does indeed have a resolution that is different from the standard 5910 modes, going with an outboard scaler would still probably be the preferred route. On the flipside of this coin, the 5910 is pretty much doing what every other player out there is doing right now though. Other than the previously mentioned Bravo and Momitsu, there aren’t really any custom resolution players available. And the scaling and de-interlacing of this player are unmatched from anything I’ve seen to date. So if your display does use a native resolution of 480p/720p/1080i, the 5910 is by far the de facto standard in this regard. (Just a note, those of you with ED plasmas or 480p projectors be aware that the native resolution may not be true 480p, which is 720x480. Most of these displays use 853x480 to achieve square pixels so the display will have to scale a 480p signal.) As to the analog side of this player, the core tests went well, but there is some room for improvement. The player does have some pixel cropping that is exaggerated by the player’s output setup. If you leave the player in a default mode, it is clipping a combined 7 pixels from the sides of the image and 1 from the top. The 5910 has an almost perfect white level of 101 IRE and passes a below black pluge signal. The analog video frequency response was ruler flat and there is absolutely zero Y/C delay. The digital output is slightly different. This player has a choice of either PC (enhanced) or Studio (normal) RBG levels for its DVI or HDMI outputs. It also has the ability to output a pure YCbCr video stream via HDMI. While this player does output a below black signal using Studio RGB levels, it is clipping above white information in the default contrast setting within the user picture settings. This is quite obvious using the reverse gray ramps on Digital Video Essentials. If you set the contrast level to -2, the player passes the above white information properly. We saw something similar to this with the recent Panasonic S-97. I don’t know why Denon overlooked this, as it was not a problem on the 5900, 3910, or 2910 players. The digital output also has very slight pixel cropping. If you look at the pixel cropping test pattern on AVIA in the default setting, there are about 3 pixels cropped from the sides combined, but these are not affected by the position of the image. This player also has an “Auto” selection for its output resolution via HDMI or DVI. This is for displays that will communicate what their optimal resolution is, but this is rarely correct, so be cautious when using it. When selected, it will indicate the end resolution, so there is no concern of whether it “might have” selected the proper output resolution. We tested this with the new Samsung DLP front projector, and the player automatically selected 480p, despite the projector having a native resolution of 720p. This confirms the fact that the feature may not always work as designed. On a usability scale, the 5910 gets big points. This player has a faster user interface than my DVD-5900, but is still not quite to the level of the DVD-2900. Menu navigation is fast for the most part, but there were some times that the player staggered a bit once an entry was made. All of the menus are easy to navigate, and the player still features five different user setup memories for advanced picture settings. From a build standpoint, the 5910 is an absolute tank. Denon went away from the standard connectors on the back panel and added some beefy ones that are well spaced, reminding me of the DVD-9000. The new remote is completely backlit and even offers full operation of the DVI/HDMI outputs and SACD modes. Without a doubt this is the best DVD player I’ve used from Denon so far, but it has the potential to be so much more. Hopefully, Denon will provide a software update that offers the flexibility in video processing that the 5910 deserves. At $3,500 consumers will expect, and want, that kind of performance.
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Denon - DVD-3910 DVI/HDMI
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DVD-3910 DVI/HDMI - Auto 2 |
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Image Cropping Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Recovery Time | ||
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DVD-3910 DVI/HDMI - Auto 1 |
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Image Cropping Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Recovery Time | 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags | |
The Denon DVD-3910 has garnished a lot of excitement from Denon fans. The successor to the very popular DVD-3800, the 3910 is in many ways the same as the flagship DVD-5900. But this player offers new features, including an HDMI output, and yet comes in at almost half the price. The 3910 is based on the same video circuit as the DVD-5900. It uses the same ESS Vibrato II MPEG decoder and the Faroudja FLI-2310 de-interlacer/scaler chips. Denon has dropped the BNC component outputs, but added an HDMI output to compliment the DVI output that is also present. This was a great move. Most HDMI players out there re-map the RGB output to PC levels when they are converted to DVI. By offering both outputs on the same unit, this eliminates the problem. The video output can be selected in the setup menu for either PC RGB levels or Studio RGB levels. Unless your display is set up for PC RGB levels, we always recommend using the studio RGB output which allows for below-black and above-white information. Like the DVD-5900, this selection is called black level enhancement. With the enhancement setting “ON”, you are using PC levels. With it “OFF”, you are using Studio levels. There is also an IRE setting for 7.5 or 0 in the picture setting menu for the analog outputs. The DVI and HDMI outputs offer three different resolutions; 480p, 720p and 1080i. I was a bit disappointed to see a lack of 480i support for HDMI. By supporting this resolution it would allow the end user to send an unprocessed digital signal to an outboard scaler if they wish. So far we have only seen this option from Pioneer and Arcam, but hope to see more support for it in the future. Both the DVI and HDMI outputs are HDCP compliant so they will not work with an incompatible display. This includes uncopyrighted material as well. The component output only supports 480i and 480p, as well as their PAL counterparts. The test results for the DVD-3910 were almost identical to the DVD-5900. This player uses the same modes for progressive scan playback. Auto 2 should be used with PAL or video-based material, and Auto 1 should be used for normal NTSC film-based DVDs. The big surprise was the utter lack of the “macroblocking” artifact associated with the Faroudja chipset. This problem was quite obvious on the DVD-5900. It manifests itself on the 3910 with component 480p output, or 1080i digital output. But the level is so miniscule, you would be hard pressed to see it. Like I have said before, the results may vary on any given display, but we tested it on an NEC plasma and an Hitachi CRT-based RPTV. There were no artifacts at all via DVI and HDMI at 480p and 720p. The image looked identical to the same display being fed from the Denon DVD-2900, which uses a Silicon Image video processor. The other resolutions should very subtle signs of the problem using the test material I have used with all the other Faroudja-based players. Another change we noticed was the analog frequency response. While it was quite good, it wasn’t quite as flat as the DVD-5900, which has a slightly better analog stage and filtering. The component 480p output didn’t have any Y/C delay and its white output was at the upper limit of our passing score, 102 IRE. Pixel cropping was a bit excessive on the sides of the image. The right side was clipping 7 pixels and the left was clipping 2. With the DVI output we noticed some Y/C delay but Denon sent us a firmware update during the tests that completely eliminated the issue. In our usability tests, the 3910 fared well, but not quite as good as its predecessors. The layer change clocked in at a quick half second, but that is a step down from the previous seamless layer change Denon was popular for. Overall, navigation was also a bit slower then the previous DVD-3800 and 2900 and more on par with the DVD-5900. One of the complaints Denon did address with this line is the power switch. The front panel now has two different options, a standby and a hard switch. The standby switch will also close the drawer when depressed, a popular gripe with the older Denon models. The 3910 is a top notch offering from Denon. We will be following the benchmark test with a full write-up in the near future that will include a detailed take on the audio section of the player. Given that this player performed nearly as well as our top performer, the DVD-5900, it’s a steal at this price and highly recommended.
Video Frequency Response
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Denon - DVD-3910
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DVD-3910 - Auto 2 |
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| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Image Cropping Recovery Time | ||
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Image Cropping Recovery Time | 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags | |
Video Frequency Response
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Denon - DVD-5900
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DVD-5900 - Auto 2 |
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Image Cropping Recovery Time | ||
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DVD-5900 - Default |
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Image Cropping Recovery Time | 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags | |
The DVD-5900 is Denon’s newest universal player option and
a bit of a step up in terms of features from its DVD-2900 offering. The 5900
combines the MPEG decoder of the previous DVD-3800 and DVD-9000 with the new
Faroudja 2310 deinterlacer. Denon went this route to support the DVI output
which offers three output resolutions of 480p, 720p and 1080i. The 5900 is a
very solid offering overall with the principle complaint being a somewhat
sluggish navigation system compared to their previous players. It has a large
number of setup parameters allowing the end user to really dial in their picture
to their taste. It also offers five picture memories, allowing quick
changes for different material. The 5900 passed just about all of our tests with
the exception of pixel cropping. For some reason, five pixels were cropped on
the right side of the image. Some notes though must be brought up on this
player. While it passed our layer change test flawlessly, similar to the
DVD-2900, I noticed some layer changes watching different DVDs. It occurred only
been on occasion and lasted about a half second in length, but I thought I’d
mention it. While the layer change is zippy, menu navigation is
unusually slow. This is a step backwards from previous Denon players we have
looked at including: DVD-9000, DVD-3800 and DVD-2800. Some menu changes take as
long as 3 seconds. There have also been complaints of “macroblocking”
reported by some consumers out there. We were not able to reproduce this effect
except in the low IRE (30 IRE) window patterns contained on the AVIA and Video Essentials DVDs. I
was able to almost completely eliminate this patching in the Denon’s video setup
menu, but it is still a concern. I have yet to see the same artifacts during a
movie though. We suspect it might be an iDCT precision error possibly caused by
rounding errors. We have seen this before with some older Apex DVD players that
used ESS MPEG decoders. We don't recall seeing in the DVD-3800 or DVD-9000 but
will try and locate to see if the problem exists. Some highlights of this player are the unlimited number of
user settings, including cross color suppressor control, Y/C delay adjustments,
and gamma control. You also have five memories to program that work with both
analog and DVI video outputs. At the time of this writing, we have spent a
limited amount of time looking at the DVI output. There are several features
that seem to be disabled over DVI that should not, including aspect ratio
control and YC delay adjustment. Both of these features are important and we
hope Denon can enable wtih a future software update.
Video Frequency Response
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Denon - DVD-3930CI
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DVD-3930CI (HDMI) - Auto |
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| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Image Cropping Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP | ||
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| Passed | Borderline | Failed | Not Tested |
| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Image Cropping Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Video Levels | ||
Denon is one of my favorite companies when it comes to DVD players. For the past few years they have been delivering outstanding quality and performance across a good majority of their price points and set the bar for what I feel a DVD player should be. To this date their flagship player, the DVD-5910, remains my standing reference for a DVD player regardless of price. The DVD-3930CI takes a lot of the performance of the DVD-5910 and scales it down to an attractive MSRP without skimping on video quality or features. The DVD-3930CI is very similar to the 3910 in terms of build and appearance. The chassis is quite large and heavy, and all of the buttons and connectors are of a quality few players can match. You just know that a lot of effort was put into the design and manufacturing of the product. Even more impressive is the internal design. The power supply section of just the audio board is better than most DVD players I’ve seen costing several times as much. In fact, it appears almost like a receiver than a DVD player when you look inside! The back panel has some very nice touches. All of the analog connectors are top quality and remind me a lot of my DVD-5910. They’ve even included BNC connections for the second component video output, allowing for high quality connections to displays or video processors. The 3930CI supports Denon’s proprietary Denon-Link connection for all audio playback sources and HDMI for video and audio. The Denon-Link output supports all audio standards, including SACD and DVD Audio. The firewire output featured on the DVD-5910 is not included. The HDMI output supports a wide array of video output options including 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p. It also supports YCbCr and RGB colorspace outputs and pillarboxing of any display resolution. The biggest difference between this player and my reference DVD-5910 is the omission of the ABT scaler. Instead, the 3930CI incorporates the full feature set of the Realta HQV chipset, including their keystone correction. This allows you to place a projector at extreme angles to a screen and do keystone correction from a higher quality scaler than what is typically found in most projectors. While this feature works quite well on its own, we always recommend setting up a projector straight on to the screen so you don't have to do keystone correction, but it's there if you don't have a choice in the projector placement. I didn’t find much, if any, difference between the scaling of the ABT chip in the 5910 and the scaling in the 3930CI. Both are excellent, with a small edge going to the 3930 using a luma burst test pattern. The 3930 showed a bit less ringing in the upper frequency range. De-interlacing performance was the same, i.e., superb. The HQV chip passes all of our tests without the slightest problem and represents one of the best de-interlacing solutions on the market today. I even tested this player with the AVIA vertical test pattern that has been causing problems for this chipset in some projector designs. Like my DVD-5910, the 3930CI has no issues at all with motion in the vertical direction and kept the cadence locked at all times. Another new feature for this player is its 480i support via HDMI. This is nice for anyone looking to hook this player up to a stand-alone video processor, but I don’t think it is of much use. Outputting 480p will do just as good of a job and will take advantage of the player’s superb de-interlacing capabilities. The only place this player ran into some problems was with our core video performance tests. When I opened the player, I was unable to find out what MPEG decoder they were using, but I think it is still the ESS chip found in so many other Denon designs. The 3930CI failed two of our CUE tests, including material with an alternating 3-2 cadence and our 4:2:0 ICP test. This means that the player is not incorporating any type of CUE correction filter even though I believe the Realta chip has this capability. The analog output was a bit hot for its white level. We measured 105 IRE, using a gray ramp and a digital oscilloscope. The HDMI and component outputs were both devoid of any Y/C delay, and neither suffered from any pixel cropping, regardless of output resolution. The player itself is very responsive with navigation, chapter skips, and general setup. The player handles layer changes perfectly, with absolutely no delay, even using our high bit rate tests. Denon has designed some new menu items for their setup, and some of it I like in respect to my reference DVD-5910, but nothing new stood out too much. All of the noise reduction and sharpening tools of the Realta are included in the picture setup memories, and their performance is identical to the DVD-5910. Contrast and brightness settings were also perfect in their default settings, a problem I had with the DVD-5910. Conclusions So, is the Denon DVD-3930CI better than or equal to the DVD-5910? No, the 5910 is still the king. While I think the 3930 is every bit as good in terms of de-interlacing and scaling, the 5910 has some refinements that the 3910 is lacking (CUE filtering most notably). I also like the flexibility of audio outputs with the 5910 (Firewire) and the build and sound via the analog outputs. But, for its price, the DVD-3930CI comes VERY close. Those looking for the same level of video prowess at a lower cost need not look any further. Denon has continued to set the bar at their price point and delivered one of the best DVD players I’ve seen to date.
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Denon - DVD-1600
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This player is based on a Panasonic design and includes the same MPEG decoder and deinterlacer found in the highly-regarded Panasonic RP82. We found it to be very similar to the RP82 in video quality overall. Deinterlacing This player uses the Genesis FLI2200 chip, and as expected did well on
deinterlacing. There is only one "Auto" mode, unlike the similar range of Panasonic players which have two (Auto1 and Auto2). The single Auto mode on the Denon is equivalent to Auto1 on the Panasonic players, and uses the FLI2200 exclusively in cadence-reading mode. This works well for most material with the exception of NTSC 2-2 pulldown (30fps progressive) material, which is relatively uncommon. In PAL mode, the FLI2200 will generally recognize 2-2 properly (though we did not test any PAL material with this player). The Basics The 1600 had excellent core video measurements. Black and white video levels are within spec
at 99.3 IRE. The player is capable of
reproducing below black picture information. The YC delay in the player is right
at 5ns, which is a pass. (The RP82 was around 2ns.) The frequency response is slightly less flat than the Panasonic RP82, and has a very minor rolloff at 10MHz. No part of the image is cropped. It has all lines on the top and bottom as
well as all samples on the left and right sides of the image. The layer change takes around 1.75 seconds. Not the best we have seen but not
terrible. The overall response is average and we rated that a 3, which is a sharp contrast to some of Denon's other players like the 2800, which have some of the fastest layer changes and UI responsiveness we've seen. Overall, the 1600 delivers an excellent picture and has deinterlacing to match. The responsiveness is only average, but this our only significant gripe. We recommend this player highly. This player
receives the Secrets Recommended 480p award.
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Denon - DVD-2900
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The 2900 is Denon's first foray into the "Universal" SACD/DVD-A combination
player arena. Deinterlacing The 2900 uses the Silicon Image SiI504 chip, which as usual passed
essentially every deinterlacing test with flying colors. The only real situation
where it doesn't compare quite as well to the best players we've tested is that
it doesn't have a chroma filter to alleviate the effects of the ICP (Interlaced
Chroma Problem, which we documented in our Chroma Upsampling article, and which
is different than the CUE itself). Because the SiI504 preserves all the chroma detail, you see the effects of
ICP very clearly on certain discs that are video sourced. This is not a bug, but
it does make us wish Silicon Image would take the excellent chroma filter that
was developed for the iScan Ultra and incorporate it into the next version of
the SiI50x chip. The Basics The video frequency response has a small dip around 4 MHz, but is otherwise
basically flat out to 7 MHz, and then begins a gentle rolloff. The rolloff isn't
enough to soften the image severely. Our initial unit had several lines cropped from the bottom of the image, but
Denon sent a firmware fix that addressed it. Any Denon dealer should be able to
provide the fix Black and white levels are well within spec, as is chroma delay.
Responsiveness navigating through menus and skipping chapters is lightning fast. This player uses a Mitsubishi MPEG chip from the same series that Pioneer has
used for several years in their players. Denon told us they've been working with
Mitsubishi to fix the chroma bug and they've largely succeeded. We see no
evidence of chroma bug at all on 3-2 or 2-2 normally flagged film material.
Unfortunately, the chip doesn't handle the 3-2 alternating progressive flag
issue properly, and alternates every other frame between interlaced and
progressive upsampling. This actually looks worse than just staying in
interlaced mode (though only by a little) because of the constant flicker as the
upsampling mode changes. Several scenes in Monster's Inc show this problem
clearly, and since all recent Disney releases have the problem, we imagine there
are many more movies that will not look their best in this area. Denon has
looked into this issue and apparently they don't believe a firmware fix is
possible for it. Still, we are glad that Denon took the time to fix the problem
for a wide range of movies. Toy Story looks great on this player, as does Moulin
Rouge and many other films that show the chroma bug clearly on other players. Overall we think this player has excellent progressive video quality marred
by one significant flaw - the 3-2 alternating flag chroma upsampling issue.
Whether that flaw is a deal-breaker is really a personal choice. For people
looking for a combo SACD/DVD-A player with top-notch progressive video, this is
competitive with the Yamaha DVD-S2300 player we looked at a few months ago. It
exceeds it in some areas, like chroma delay, and doesn't do as well in a couple
of areas mentioned above. With the 2900, Denon hasn't quite made a unit that
passes every one of our tests, but they've come pretty close.
The layer change is the fastest we've ever seen. On our test disc, which is
intentionally designed to be the worst layer change a player will ever need to
deal with, the break was invisible. We watched it several times to be sure, and
we could not see any kind of stutter or hiccup at all.
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Denon - DVD-3800
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| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Video Levels Blacker-than-Black Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Image Cropping | Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP YC Delay | |
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| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Video Levels Blacker-than-Black Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Recovery Time Motion Adaptive | Image Cropping | Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP YC Delay 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags | |
Deinterlacing This player uses the SiI504, but adds an extra twist - it has a flag-reading
mode as well. This could potentially be useful in the rare situations where the
SiI504 isn't going into film mode, but you know the disc has good flags. The
Denon's flag-reading mode is a very simple one, which doesn't handle the common
"alternating progressive flag" problem. The names of the modes could be better - "Mode 1" is the cadence-reading
mode, and "Mode 2" is the flag-reading mode. In the US, most of the time Mode 1
is going to do the best job. If you have the player in Mode 1 and a film looks
soft, it might be worth trying Mode 2. If you have the player in Mode 2 and
start seeing lots of combing, switch it back to Mode 1. The Basics In addition to the deinterlacing mode switch, there is another video mode
option that lets you select between "auto," "film," and "video." This makes it
sound like a deinterlacing mode switch, but it's not. From what we can tell it
changes two things. chroma upsampling and pause type. Pause type is pretty simple: “Auto” uses the progressive_frame flag to
determine whether to do frame or field pauses. (A frame pause
shows the whole frame, while a field pause takes a single video field and scales
it up, which looks pixellated and soft.) In "film" mode, all pauses are
frame pauses, which can cause the image to look combed if the frame you're
pausing on has movement between fields. "Video" mode causes all pauses to be
single fields. We can't imagine why anyone would want video mode. The other thing that changes with the video mode switch is chroma upsampling.
On the few other players that allow selectable upsampling, “Auto” was clearly
the way to go. However, on the Denon “Auto” mode causes it to (wrongly) use
interlaced upsampling on "alternating progressive flag" material like Monsters
Inc. Amazingly enough, "film" mode is not forced progressive upsampling. It's
the same as “Auto” mode, except that it fixes the "alternating progressive flag"
problem. On video material, it continues to use interlaced upsampling, even in
"Film" mode. Frankly, this doesn't make sense to us. Most people are going to
leave the setting on “Auto”, which means they're going to be seeing the Chroma
Upsampling Error on a wide variety of popular films. And if they switch to
"film," which we certainly recommend, they'll get combed frames when they pause
on certain discs. We don't think they should have offered the Auto chroma upsampling mode. As far as we can
tell, "film" is the correct chroma mode for all situations, and passed all of
our chroma upsampling tests. If there is material that it's incorrect on, we
don't know what it is. The initial unit we received had the chroma error. However, we applied a
firmware fix Denon sent us, and it did fix the problem. Current units at retail
supposedly already have this fix or a new, fixed MPEG decoder that has an
equivalent fix in hardware. Even though it is correct, it was not the best
upsampling we have seen. We would describe it as a little blocky, but it looks
far better than the best wrong upsampling (which we would say is the Toshiba). White is virtually perfect at 99.26 IRE and black is the same at 0 IRE. Both
Y-Pb and Y-Pr have a pretty large delay. We estimate it is close to 1 pixel,
which is 37ns at 480p. (74ns at 480i) They can probably correct this by making a
register change inside of the Analog Devices Video Encoder. The frequency
response on this player is also hot. There is no roll-off but rather a steady
climb up. At 10 MHz the player is up 1 dB. There are 0 lines cropped from the top, 2 from the bottom, 5 from the left,
and 1 from the right. The disparity between left and right pixel cropping is not
great, in our opinion, because it causes the image not to be centered. It's a
tiny thing, but one that we think should be easy to get right. The layer change is very fast, clocking in at around 0.25 seconds. We rate the
overall performance a 5. This player just smokes when navigating a disc. In general, this is a good performer. It has excellent video quality,
excellent deinterlacing, and performs well. It's heavy, for those who like that
kind of thing, and it's not just lead weights. The Y/C delay and the quirky
video mode switch are the only disappointments.
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Denon - DVD-9000
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| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Video Levels Blacker-than-Black Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Recovery Time Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Image Cropping | Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP YC Delay | |
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| Layer Change Responsiveness Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Video Levels Blacker-than-Black 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Recovery Time Motion Adaptive | Image Cropping | Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags | |
Note: The unit we received was one of the first ones with the new MPEG
decoder chip. Deinterlacing The deinterlacing performance and issues were essentially equivalent to the
DVD-3800, also covered in this shootout. Please refer to the deinterlacing
section of that review, as the performance and modes were identical. The Basics The same issues we found with the "video mode" switch in the DVD-3800 menus
were also present on the DVD-9000. Please read the "Basics" section of that
review for more on those quirks. White is virtually perfect at 100.52 IRE and black is the same at 0 IRE. Both
Y-Pb and Y-Pr have a pretty large delay. We estimate it is close to 1 pixel,
which is 37ns at 480p. (74ns at 480i) They can probably correct this by making a
register change inside of the Analog Devices Video Encoder. The frequency
response looks good.. The player is down .23 dB at 10 MHz. There are 0 lines cropped from the top, 2 from the bottom, 5 from the left,
and 1 from the right. The layer change is very fast clocking in at around .25 seconds. We rate the
overall performance a 5. This player just smokes when navigating a disc. This player is using the high end 14-bit / 108 MHz video encoder from Analog
Devices. Even so, the output was not as clean as the Krell DVD Standard. This
goes to show that as good as the DAC is, the analog anti-imaging filters that
come later are just as important. In general, this is a good performer. It has excellent video quality,
excellent deinterlacing, and performs well. It's heavy, for those who like that
kind of thing, and it's not just lead weights. The Y/C delay and the quirky
video mode switch are the only disappointments.
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Denon - DVM-2815
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| Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Blacker-than-Black Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Image Cropping Recovery Time | Layer Change 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags | Video Levels YC Delay |
Here is yet another Denon player that comes in at a good
price and has Faroudja processing. This player is almost identical to the
DVD-910 but adds multi-disc capability and DVD-Audio support. The 2815 was a bit
sluggish during layer changes as well as navigation. I also found a discrepancy
in the instruction manual. The manual states that the crossover for bass
management is 100 Hz, but the Denon website states it as 80 Hz. I was unable to
test for which was accurate. The level setup seems to be the same as the
DVD-9000, 3800, and 2900, though with the truncated sub channel. Overall, this
player did quite well with our testing, and it is a nice option considering its
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Denon - DVD-2910
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| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Recovery Time | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Image Cropping | |
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| Layer Change Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags Video Levels Blacker-than-Black YC Delay Sync Subtitle to Frames 3-2 Cadence, Film Flags 3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags 3-2 Cadence, Video Flags 3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags Film Mode High Detail Bad Edit Video to Film Transition Incorrect Progressive Flags Motion Adaptive | Responsiveness Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP Recovery Time | Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags Image Cropping 2-2 Cadence, Film Flags | |
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Denon - DVD-910
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This was probably the biggest surprise next to the new
Sony for me in this shootout. Denon’s new DVD-910 did quite well despite its
lack of overall features. Many of the problems associated with the 900 model are
now gone. The 910 uses Faroudja DCDi deinterlacing, which makes it
one of the few less expensive players offering this feature. It pretty much
smoked all the deinterlacing tests as it should and didn’t show any signs of any
chroma problems. Thankfully, the cross color suppressor is off so you won’t be
seeing any flicker in solid colors. Layer change was a tad sluggish for a Denon at about 2.5
seconds. Build quality is a bit questionable and there is no support of any high
resolution formats such as DVD-A and SACD. The player did pass blacker then
black but could not hold the black level with a high APL pluge pattern. We are not sure at this time if it is a player or display issue. Some other gripes worth noting are the sluggish response
to command and the lack of a detachable power cord. Some nice touches though are both coaxial and Toslink
digital outputs, which have been lacking on some cheaper players out there. The
player also supports MP3 playback.
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Denon - DVD-2200
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Deinterlacing The DVD-2200 is Denon’s least expensive offering that features their preferred Silicon Image deinterlacing solution. This deinterlacer has always tested well and is one of our preferred solutions. As expected, it did nicely in the de-interlacing tests, but is only recommended in Mode 1. Mode 2 had a tendency to drop out of film mode too quickly. The Basics The DVD-2200 is Denon’s entry level universal player. It is very similar to its big brother the DVD-2900. However it features a slightly smaller power supply and different audio DACs. Some would be happy to find that they have included a bass enhancer for the multi-channel setup, which was sorely missed in the 2900. Like the 2900 some of the drawbacks of the 2200 stem from its Mitsubishi MPEG decoder. While tweaked better than Pioneer managed to do, it still suffers from a few quirks. The most obvious is the chroma upsampling error (CUE) with 3-2 alternating flag material. You’ll find this mainly in Buena Vista titles, especially their animation. The result is a stripping and flickering in solid colors. Some other drawbacks come from the white level of the player. It measured out at 106 IRE, when it should be at 100 IRE. The 2200 offers some user adjustable contrast settings that can bring this down, but one notch off resulted in 97 IRE which is a bit low for our spec. Overall this is a solid player with minor quirks, but given the performance of other low priced offerings like the DVD-1600 and DVD-910, I was hoping this one would test out just a little better.
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Denon - DVD-1910 DVI
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It was inevitable that Denon would eventually release an inexpensive DVI-based DVD player to the market.
The DVD-1910 has some obvious advantages compared to the rest of the low cost DVI player market, but it also has some disadvantages. The 1910 is a very low budget design. The chassis is
very small, and extremely light. Those looking for the sturdy and robust build of Denon’s higher profile line will be very disappointed. But the insides of this player, from a video standpoint, are pretty impressive. The biggest drawback in the lower line of DVI-based DVD players has been the de-interlacer and scaler. While designs from companies like Momitsu and Bravo do a good job, they don’t quite equal the performance of the higher line Faroudja and Silicon Image solutions. The 1910 features the Faroudja FLI-2301 de-interlacer/scaler
chip. It was made specifically for DVD applications as opposed to the FLI-2310 chip found in their higher line offerings, the 3910 and 5900. That chip was actually made for implementation into display technologies. The performance aspects appear to be exactly the same, both on paper and in our tests. The
2301 chip did quite well here. The only fault we found was with material mastered with a 2-2 cadence, which is always a hit or miss with the implementation of the Faroudja chip. The unfortunate side of implementing the FLI2301 chip is the presence of the “macroblocking” problem. This manifests
itself as blotches of digital noise mainly in backgrounds. This noise is essentially an enhancement of MPEG artifacts that are already inherent in the DVD transfer, but at times grossly exaggerated. In our study of the problem, we have found that the end user’s display plays a key role in the issue. It seems that displays that have their own necessary internal scalers tend to exaggerate the problem to almost unwatchable levels. This has been most noticeable with plasma displays, with an emphasis on the popular Panasonic line. Bottom line is, be wary of coupling this player with a display that has to do its own scaling inside. I would recommend hooking up the player to a similar display, or under ideal circumstances,
to your own display before purchasing. If you don’t have that option, I would make sure the store you buy from has a good return policy. We were unable to determine what MPEG decoder the
1910 is using. The chip is mounted on the underside of a video board and inaccessible. It did do rather well with our tests though. The chip passed the main chroma tests and the Faroudja did an adequate job of masking artifacts associated with the more difficult material. The 1910 passed a below-black pluge pattern regardless of the output
used, and its white level was at the high end of our acceptable standard, 102 IRE. There have been reports that this player has a tendency to reproduce blacks with a lean toward green. I didn’t see this with my review unit regardless of the output used. There is a black level tool that can be accessed via the “mode” button on the remote. I used an O-Scope and a gray ramp to try and figure out what this option was doing, as there was an obvious change to the level of blacks when turning it on and off. By turning the black selection “on”, the ramp clips black levels at the NTSC standard of 7.5 IRE. When
it is turned “off”, the black level maps down all the way to 0 IRE properly. We recommend that you leave this selection off to take advantage of the lower black levels associated with YCbCr video. The analog
video frequency response was surprisingly good for a budget player. The response has a slight dip in the upper frequencies, but fine detail was still preserved with the material I looked at. Pixel cropping was a bit excessive on the sides of the image. The right side was clipping 7 pixels and the left 2. The user interface was on the sluggish side, especially compared to Denon’s higher line of players. The layer change was a full 2 seconds long, which is unsatisfactory. Menu navigation was also very sluggish. I was happy to see Denon finally put out a budget minded DVI player. The fact that they coupled it with a
de-interlacing chip like the Faroudja almost makes the player a steal. I really hope Faroudja can come up with a fix for the
macroblocking artifact issue, and until then I suggest that you demo any player using
the FLI-2301 chip before committing. Otherwise this is a very nice entry offering for Denon.
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Denon - DVD-900
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Deinterlacing This player uses the Faroudja-designed FLI2200 chip for deinterlacing, and
thus has excellent overall performance in this area. Like almost all players
using the FLI2200 it recovers from video mode to film mode too slowly to get
full points, and it doesn't go into film mode on NTSC 2-2 pulldown. This feature
is available in the FLI2200 but it is often always disabled because of it not
being reliable. In the rare case we have seen it enabled, it ends up inverting
the fields. You can also control this, but shouldn’t it be automatic? The Basics We are not sure which MPEG encoder this player is using. Denon tells us it is
not the ESS, but we also know it is not using an MEI like the Denon 1600. This
player does suffer from the chroma error, but it is masked to a degree if you
are using the 480p outputs, by the FLI2200. Black is fine at 0 IRE. White is low at 96.04 IRE. The frequency response on
this player rolls off sharply. It is down 1 dB at 4 MHz. It is down 2 dB at 7.16
MHz. And finally it is down 3.24 dB at 10 MHz. This resulted in a very soft
image. We wonder if the anti-imaging filters were optimized for 480i instead of
480p, which would explain the steep roll-off. On the plus side, the YC delay was virtually perfect coming in at under 2ns.
There are 0 lines cropped from the top and bottom and 0 samples cropped from the
left and right. The layer change takes around 1.75 seconds to complete. The player also falls
into the average range and we rate its overall performance as 3.5. This is a generally good player, with a lot to recommend it. The fairly steep frequency
roll-off and the Chroma Upsampling Error are the only
significant concerns.
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Denon - DVD-2800
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This player was eagerly anticipated by many people, as it was the first
reasonably-priced player with the Silicon Image chipset in it. Sadly, the early
shipments were marred with a variety of production problems and firmware
glitches. However, at this point the production problems have been ironed out as
far as we can tell, and our final review sample performed quite well. Apparently
there are some units in stores with different colored dots on the box to
indicate, perhaps, the manufacturing run. We do not know what the codes mean, so
you will have to work that out for yourselves. Like the Camelot we reviewed in the last shootout, the Denon passed all the
core tests with flying colors. It failed the Blue's Clues test and the Abyss
test, but the Camelot failed those as well, and they don't represent common
scenarios. The basic video quality on the Denon is good, the image is softer than
others, which may be a plus for those annoyed by DVDs with excessive edge
enhancement. The player is extremely fast at navigation. The layer changes were
lightning quick, as were chapter changes and menu selection. The main Achilles heel of this player is the chroma bug. It has it, and while
Denon did adjust the firmware to alleviate the bug somewhat, it's still there
and still pretty bad. If this issue doesn't bother you (and it doesn't bother
everyone), this player is otherwise a very fine performer and well worth
considering. This player also does not offer any type of aspect ratio control.
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Denon - DVD-1710
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The DVD-1710 is Denon’s new entry level player. This no frills offering is similar in build and features to the DVD-1910, but lacks the
DVI output and Faroudja chipset. The 1710 looks to be based on a Panasonic chipset, but it was very difficult to tell. The MPEG decoder had been blacked out except for a serial number. There is also a possibility that it is based on a Mitsubishi chip. The MPEG decoder is handling all of the duties, including de-interlacing, and overall is a pretty basic entry with mediocre abilities. The chip is flagged based and had a hard time with our tests overall. The chip is not motion adaptive and drops into video mode at the slightest sign of a cadence break. I think it is fair to say that this is the lowest performer we have seen yet from Denon. On our core tests, the 1710 did better then I expected. The player will pass a below-black pluge signal, and its white level was at the extreme of our passing criteria at 98 IRE. Since the white level is a bit low, perceived and measured contrast will be a bit on the lower side, but not by too much. The player passed all of our chroma tests with the exception of the interlaced chroma test. That was expected since it takes a special chroma filter to pass. Only Faroudja and DVDO have managed to make a chroma filter for this problem so far. The
video frequency response was quite a bit better then I was expecting and even bested the DVD-1910. The response has a slight up shift as frequency goes up, but I didn’t see any annoying artificial ringing in the image from it. Pixel cropping just barely made the borderline score. The player
crops 5 pixels from both the left and right side of the image. I don’t understand why a manufacturer would allow for cropping on the sides of the image where it can hurt the image more than the top and bottom. The 1710 passed the Y/C delay tests and measured out at about 4 nanoseconds of delay, which is within the consumer spec. For our usability tests, the 1710 didn’t fare too well. The transport is on the slow side, especially with menus. Response from the player was slow, both with inputs and chapter skips. The layer change clocked in at just over 2 seconds, which is unacceptable. There are a lot of
inexpensive DVD players out there that are very responsive and feature almost no layer change at all. Denon is a company that usually stays on the cutting edge and these are things I would expect from them, even at this price point. Overall, the DVD-1710 is a below average progressive scan player. I wasn’t expecting much at this price point, but I expect more from Denon. There are quite a few players near this price point that will outperform this player, notably the entry offerings from Pioneer. If you are looking for a solid low price offering,
this is probably not the one.
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